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[miltiades]

" Firstly, you degrade and insult the tremendous capability of the CNG which in my view is just perfect and more than adequate for a small island like Cyprus, on its own turf."

Degrade and insult ???
Being a realist does not infer in any way that either degradation or derogatory insults apply.

The CNG is far too small to take on Turkey, end of the matter.

[miltiades]

A gorilla warfare against the British in 1955 is a totally different issue.

It's "guerrilla" you gorilla!

Who pulled your string psycho ??
By the way, I'm getting bored with your mate, shall we have a contest as to who is the gorilla here ?
You are obsessed with spelling psycho, its not natural .

Education is *everything* Miltiades, so we must strive to improve our communication skills at every opportunity. I pointed something out which I hope you’ll never forget.

There's no excuse for Cypriots making such basic mistakes.

EINSTEN Was a Rotten Speller. Although he lived for many years in the United States and was fully bilingual, Einstein claimed never to be able to write in English because of “the treacherous spelling.” He never lost his distinctive German accent either, summed up by his catch-phrase “I vill a little t’ink.”

" Being bilingual, one could hardly blame Einstein for being a bad speller in English. Yet it wasn’t just in English that Einstein struggled. He also was a pretty bad speller in his native German, and got even worse when he began using English more regularly. Of course, Einstein didn’t make those same errors when it came to writing mathematical equations, a fact that helped to make his name synonymous with genius today."
http://www.onlinecollegecourses.com/201 ... dnt-spell/

[Paphitis]

" Firstly, you degrade and insult the tremendous capability of the CNG which in my view is just perfect and more than adequate for a small island like Cyprus, on its own turf."

Degrade and insult ???
Being a realist does not infer in any way that either degradation or derogatory insults apply.

The CNG is far too small to take on Turkey, end of the matter.

Yes you degrade and insult!

In addition, you have no clue!

When you got a Defence Force numbering some mere 75,000 covering an area the size of Europe, then come and see me, and yet such a force is able to project power across the globe with its Air Force and Navy. This is not a military that is too small to take on Turkey.

The CNG is larger than this when mobilized.

You should go and check the Soccer rankings too, and yet no matter what, a minnow like Cyprus can knock off a powerhouse like Germany or Spain on their day. Stick to the Pots and Pans.

When Russia came for Australia, you will NEVER hear Australians say we are too small. We aren't and we are more than capable to send their 4 ships to the bottom of the sea. The only thing he will get in is the first shot, but the Australians would have the final say, and before you know it, the entire US Navy will be in Australia.

The only thing is that the Australian Government is far more level headed than Pootin and won't go out of its way to do anything, but if Pootin got a rush of blood to the head, don't expect any surrender because we are too small. His ships would get hit.

And of course, the Russians are very welcome to come to Australia. The Australian Military is capable to deal with it and hold its own.

[miltiades]

" Firstly, you degrade and insult the tremendous capability of the CNG which in my view is just perfect and more than adequate for a small island like Cyprus, on its own turf."

Degrade and insult ???
Being a realist does not infer in any way that either degradation or derogatory insults apply.

The CNG is far too small to take on Turkey, end of the matter.

Yes you degrade and insult!

In addition, you have no clue!

When you got a Defence Force numbering some mere 75,000 covering an area the size of Europe, then come and see me, and yet such a force is able to project power across the globe with its Air Force and Navy. This is not a military that is too small to take on Turkey.

The CNG is larger than this when mobilized.

You should go and check the Soccer rankings too, and yet no matter what, a minnow like Cyprus can knock off a powerhouse like Germany or Spain on their day. Stick to the Pots and Pans.

When Russia came for Australia, you will NEVER hear Australians say we are too small. We aren't and we are more than capable to send their 4 ships to the bottom of the sea, and Pootin can f*ck off. The only thing he will get in is the first shot, but the Australians would have the final say, and before you know it, the entire US Navy will be in Australia.

Are you serious comparing a football game to a war with Turkey. Man you have definitely lost it.

[Paphitis]

" Firstly, you degrade and insult the tremendous capability of the CNG which in my view is just perfect and more than adequate for a small island like Cyprus, on its own turf."

Degrade and insult ???
Being a realist does not infer in any way that either degradation or derogatory insults apply.

The CNG is far too small to take on Turkey, end of the matter.

Yes you degrade and insult!

In addition, you have no clue!

When you got a Defence Force numbering some mere 75,000 covering an area the size of Europe, then come and see me, and yet such a force is able to project power across the globe with its Air Force and Navy. This is not a military that is too small to take on Turkey.

The CNG is larger than this when mobilized.

You should go and check the Soccer rankings too, and yet no matter what, a minnow like Cyprus can knock off a powerhouse like Germany or Spain on their day. Stick to the Pots and Pans.

When Russia came for Australia, you will NEVER hear Australians say we are too small. We aren't and we are more than capable to send their 4 ships to the bottom of the sea, and Pootin can f*ck off. The only thing he will get in is the first shot, but the Australians would have the final say, and before you know it, the entire US Navy will be in Australia.

Are you serious comparing a football game to a war with Turkey. Man you have definitely lost it.

You did! Remember when you looked at the so called military rankings? Might as well look at the Football Rankings while you're at it.

You couldn't write about it if you tried.

With your logic, the USA can start any war and win. Turkey could take the entire island. But it isn't that simple I'm afraid, when you see a few Guerrillas hold the entire Coalition, Russian and Syrian Military at bay, for over 5 years.

Cyprus has the perfect military for what it would be used for potentially. A CNG similar to the Australian Defence Force would NOT be appropriate for Cyprus, but is perfect for Australia and so on.

The CNG will only potentially be involved in a conflict on its own turf, while Australia will most likely be involved in a conflict on someone's else's turf, hence the requirement for the best Destroyers, Submarines and Aircraft plus logistical support.

[miltiades]

What I have been saying for years now is that Cyprus on its own can not take on and defeat Turkey leading to the liberation of our occupied northern parts.

I have always believed that the only option that is logical and wise is to take Turkey on in the political arena and reach an amicable solution. A war against Turkey would cause the death of thousands and will achieve nothing. The ultimate goal is the removal of the Turkish army from Cyprus and the unification of Cyprus, this can only be achieved by political means and not by war.

Do bear in mind that during the struggle against the British we were not subjected to indiscriminate bombing, it was a ....Gorilla warfare ( GR take notice) utterly different from a direct confrontation. Turkey would use its large number of aircraft and strike indiscriminately destroying the entire island. By the time NATO or any other entity intervenes thousands would perish and the entire infrastructure of Cyprus reduced to rubble.

It is wise and appropriate that a solution is reached via political avenues.
We also have to acknowledge that the T/Cs are as much Cypriot as we the G/Cs are. They have a right to call Cyprus their homeland, they have a right to be a part of Cyprus.

[Paphitis]

What I have been saying for years now is that Cyprus on its own can not take on and defeat Turkey leading to the liberation of our occupied northern parts.

I have always believed that the only option that is logical and wise is to take Turkey on in the political arena and reach an amicable solution. A war against Turkey would cause the death of thousands and will achieve nothing. The ultimate goal is the removal of the Turkish army from Cyprus and the unification of Cyprus, this can only be achieved by political means and not by war.

Do bear in mind that during the struggle against the British we were not subjected to indiscriminate bombing, it was a ....Gorilla warfare ( GR take notice) utterly different from a direct confrontation. Turkey would use its large number of aircraft and strike indiscriminately destroying the entire island. By the time NATO or any other entity intervenes thousands would perish and the entire infrastructure of Cyprus reduced to rubble.

It is wise and appropriate that a solution is reached via political avenues.
We also have to acknowledge that the T/Cs are as much Cypriot as we the G/Cs are. They have a right to call Cyprus their homeland, they have a right to be a part of Cyprus.

Well, if there is one thing we are incapable of is countering Turkey in the political arena. Turkey will always win because it has a position of power and 37% of the island. So in other words, you will be begging them.

They won the war in 74 and don't really have to agree to anything.

You can never defeat them politically. They will defeat the RoC if the people are stupid enough to agree to something which will always be largely on their terms and all part of their greater futuristic plans for Cyprus. Turkey stranglehold in Cyprus will only be legitimized.

[Pyrpolizer]

Once again, Cypriots are very good at talking themselves down. They mention Turkey's 1 million strong military and its 500 fighters etc, but please spare me. The truth is, only about 50,000 of them will ever be involved in a conflict in Cyprus, and the International Community, United Nations, as well as NATO will get involved within a matter of days and call for a ceasefire immediately.

In that case you should had finished your thinking describing the end result. Let me do it for you: Zilch, zero, nothing. Other than destruction everywhere thousands of dead from both sides, huge economic cost and decline, and on top of everything the Turkish Cypriots would never trust us again, it would be over once and for all. Unfortunately dear Paphitis is not possible to start a war against the occupying Turkish military and while doing it ask a person a is a TC or a Turk. You just shoot at everyone. The Turks would mock the TC telling them look what your so called "brothers" are doing to you. How many more children, brothers, fathers, loved ones do they have to kill you to get convinced?

After that go figure how we would ever find a solution and live in peace with the Tcs in this common island....

I repeat the purpose of the NG is defensive. If we get attacked that would be a different story. The only thing I am sure is that in such a case Turkey will NOT WIN and WON't be ABLE to take more lands.Actually there's a great possibility s she would lose some espacially on the east and west plains.Militarily however it's nearly impossible to lose anything on the mountain or to the North of it. And yes in that case Turkey will learn a lesson long due.

But we will never be stupid to start a war ourselves.

[miltiades]

Once again, Cypriots are very good at talking themselves down. They mention Turkey's 1 million strong military and its 500 fighters etc, but please spare me. The truth is, only about 50,000 of them will ever be involved in a conflict in Cyprus, and the International Community, United Nations, as well as NATO will get involved within a matter of days and call for a ceasefire immediately.

In that case you should had finished your thinking describing the end result. Let me do it for you: Zilch, zero, nothing. Other than destruction everywhere thousands of dead from both sides, huge economic cost and decline, and on top of everything the Turkish Cypriots would never trust us again, it would be over once and for all. Unfortunately dear Paphitis is not possible to start a war against the occupying Turkish military and while doing it ask a person a is a TC or a Turk. You just shoot at everyone. The Turks would mock the TC telling them look what your so called "brothers" are doing to you. How many more children, brothers, fathers, loved ones do they have to kill you to get convinced?

After that go figure how we would ever find a solution and live in peace with the Tcs in this common island....

I repeat the purpose of the NG is defensive. If we get attacked that would be a different story. The only thing I am sure is that in such a case Turkey will NOT WIN and WON't be ABLE to take more lands.Actually there's a great possibility s she would lose some espacially on the east and west plains.Militarily however it's nearly impossible to lose anything on the mountain or to the North of it. And yes in that case Turkey will learn a lesson long due.

But we will never be stupid to start a war ourselves.

Excellent !
A defensive CNG YES YES. Should Turkey attack in any shape or form then the entire world would be on our side. Even I a 70 year old will join the CNG !!

Let us continue our political struggle, let us ensure that each and every T/C on the island of Cyprus gains the trust and feels secure living amongst the majority.

[Tim Drayton]

On the other hand, I can't help wondering if the Reza Zarrab trial in the USA is, at least partly, a subterfuge for taking Erdoğan and his corrupt clique out. Time will tell.

It might be a sign of discontent with Erdogan, and there are many reasons why the Americans would be less than impressed, but the Americans can't take him out by instigating a Coup or using or subvertive means. The Coup will have to be led by the Turkish Military but a better option is for the people to take him out which in time will happen.

There were rumors of quite elaborate Coup planning in the Turkish Military just 3 or 4 years ago, but somehow Erdogan got wind of it and dozens of Officers were arrested. I have no idea of course if the Americans were involved. Not even sure if the Coul attempt was a serious plot or whether Erdogan just eliminated his opponents within the military to replace them with his own cronies!

A lot of interesting things are being unearthed in the ongoing investigations in New York, the latest being the laundering of commission to an intermediary in the sale of Iranian oil in contravention of the embargo, the money laundering being done through failed Turkish banks which at the time were under the control of the Turkish bank regulatory body.