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[GreekIslandGirl]

All one needs to know ....

.... is that I have ZERO respect for you and no interest in what you "want"!

[Sotos]

Maybe you don't know what Imperialism is

Imperialism : a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization, use of military force, or other means.

The majority of the population in Cyprus is already Greek for 1000s of years and if Cyprus was to ever be part of Greece that would have been only because the Cypriot people democratically choose so, not because we would be forced by military force or other means. Imperialism is what Turkey and UK do in Cyprus. They extend their power and influence thought colonization (in the case of Turkey) and military force (in the case of both Turkey and UK).

Exactly - by your own definition of what imperialism means GiG expressed the imperilaist notion that Cyprus should today be a colony of Greece. She supports the policy of Greece extending it's power and influence through making Cyprus a colony of Greece. By definition, your definition, this is an expression of Greek imperialism. Today there is no democratic will even amongst the GC community let alone of the wider Cypriot population for Cyprus to become a colony of Greece - yet this is what GiG advocates, today. A Greek imperialist agenda, all whilst denying she is an imperialist and accusing others of being imperialist.

That the modern Greek state has on more than one occasion been extremely bad in achieving it's imperial ambitions through the use of military force, does not mean it did not have such ambitions or attempt to achieve them through the use of military force. Greece sought to pursue it's imperialist ambitions when it invaded Anatolia, working along side and in conjunction with the world's great imperialist powers of the time. That it failed does not mean this did not happen. Like wise it tried in Cyprus in 1974 to extend it's power and influence by making Cyprus a colony of Greece by the use of force of arms and again it failed.

I don't think GiG meant that Cyprus should be part of Greece today. She was talking about territories which were historically inhabited by Greeks who wanted their own territories to be part of Greece but this was denied by foreign imperialists. This includes both Cyprus and some parts of Asia Minor. This map shows how Greece could have been much bigger, not by any Imperialism, but by letting Greek territories to be united under one Greek state. Any force by Greece in those places would not be against the native people but against the foreign empires that occupied them.

[GreekIslandGirl]

She supports the policy of Greece extending it's power and influence through making Cyprus a colony of Greece

Where have I said anything about Cyprus being made a colony of Greece?

You just CANNOT stop lying and twisting.

- I don't want any of your illogical interpretations that take months of twisting! Just find a quote (and stop creating lies, for once) where I have stated support for such a thing as Cyprus to be a colony of Greece - idiot!

[erolz66]

Where have I said anything about Cyprus being made a colony of Greece?

Where you said

It's kept poor by countries like Turkey that steal Greece's resources and territories and that includes Cyprus!

That looks to me like you are claiming that Cyprus is a territory (or possibly a resource) of Greece. If this is not what you meant when you wrote this, there is no need to get into a hissy fit, you can just clarify what you did mean when you said it.

Just find a quote (and stop creating lies, for once) where I have stated support for such a thing as Cyprus to be a colony of Greece - idiot!

The quote was given when I said that the given quote "sounds pretty Greek imperialist to me" and I have given the quote AGAIN just now. As I say if what you mean is different from what you appear to me to have written , then just say so - that would be the rational response of a normal person.

[GreekIslandGirl]

SO, NO QUOTE!

Just your fabrications!

You lie and twist and claim stuff for others that they did not say - just as you did regarding the European Commission - just as you ALWAYS do.

[erolz66]

SO, NO QUOTE!

Just your fabrications!

You lie and twist and claim stuff for others that they did not say - just as you did regarding the European Commission - just as you ALWAYS do.

And so we descend into the mad rabbit hole once more. This will be the THIRD time now I have provided you with the exact verbatim quote of what you have written and no doubt you will just once more start screaming "give me the quote"

You said here as a verbatim quote of your exact words cyprus44599-100.html#p839730

It's kept poor by countries like Turkey that steal Greece's resources and territories and that includes Cyprus!

Forgive me for thinking that quote above means you think that Cyprus is or should be a Greek territory or a Greek resource ! I mean it only SAYS that Cyprus is a Greek territory or resource. If this is not what you mean then the simple sane and rational response would be for you to explain what it is you did mean and why I have misunderstood that. But sane rational response is not your style as can clearly be seen imo. Your style here is something entirely different and removed from sane and rational response and always has been in my view.

[GreekIslandGirl]

You seem to have nothing to do but go around putting claims into other people's mouths and then spend post after post linking nonsense that you misinterpret (willfully, most likely) as though your warped interpretations carry any weight.

Stick to facts.

Find the quote (not your assumptions and extrapolations) that anyone would directly recognize as what you said I support or do the admirable (but unthinkable) and admit you lied!

If I said it, it would be easy to find.

[erolz66]

You seem to have nothing to do but go around putting claims into other people's mouths and then spend post after post linking nonsense that you misinterpret (willfully, most likely) as though your warped interpretations carry any weight.

Stick to facts.

Find the quote (not your assumptions and extrapolations) that anyone would directly recognize as what you said I support or do the admirable (but unthinkable) and admit you lied!

If I said it, it would be easy to find.

You can claim without the need for any evidence that no one would recognise you saying "It's kept poor by countries like Turkey that steal Greece's resources and territories and that includes Cyprus!" is you saying that "Cyprus is or should be a Greek territory" but the FACT is at least on person has interpreted what you said (Greece's territories that includes Cyprus) as potentially meaning you think Cyprus is or should be a territory of Greece. Namely me. Once more if when you say 'Greece's territories that include Cyprus' you do not mean that you think Cyprus is or should be a territory of Greece, then the sane and rational thing to do would be to say that is not what you meant when you said 'Greece's territories that include Cyprus'. That you steadfastly refuse to say such, is to me yet again a clear indication that you simply have no interest here on this forum in sane rational discussion. You never have had. Your 'purpose' in being here, posting here is something else entirely and is detached from sane rational discussion. Though it is not as if anyone would need more examples to come to that conclusion.

[GreekIslandGirl]

So, still no quote for what you claim I said!

Not only have I never referred to Cyprus as becoming a colony of Greece, but I have just found this (below) in reply to another similar-minded Turk who also wants to perpetuate the myth about Cyprus being a colony:

For instance, you as a Turk would perpetuate the myth that we are nothing but a small isolated colony that you can easily ingest as part of your Turkish expansionist dream. Hence yours, Deniz's and T_C's strong desire to "remind" us we are not connected to the stronger, larger nation of Greece, which you as Turks are afraid of!

The Turkish agenda is clear ....

cyprus20580-110.html

[erolz66]

So, still no quote for what you claim I said!

Not only have I never referred to Cyprus as becoming a colony of Greece, but I have just found this (below) in reply to another similar-minded Turk who also wants to perpetuate the myth about Cyprus being a colony:

But you did refer to Cyprus as being a territory of Greece, at least as far as I can see taking your own words as my evidence.