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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:46 am

In the thing called democracy, those who hold minority views are also entitled to argue for them and try to persuade others to adopt them. The viewpoint that says, "We are in the majority, so everybody else must shut up" is known as the 'tyranny of the majority' and is undemocratic.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:50 am

miltiades wrote:Of course the Daily Mail would say this. Not other sources however.

"IMF cuts UK growth forecasts following Brexit vote"
The International Monetary Fund has slashed its forecast for UK growth next year after warning that the decision to leave the EU had damaged the British economy’s short-term prospects and “thrown a spanner in the works” of the global recovery.

The IMF, which voiced strong misgivings about a vote for Brexit before the EU referendum, said it expected the UK economy to grow by 1.3% in 2017, 0.9 percentage points lower than an estimate made in its World Economic Outlook (WEO), in April.

While the fund is ruling out a full-blown recession, the analysis by one of the leading global economic bodies underlines the financial challenges facing Theresa May’s government during a period when slower growth will lead to lower tax receipts and a bigger budget deficit. "The International Monetary Fund has slashed its forecast for UK growth next year after warning that the decision to leave the EU had damaged the British economy’s short-term prospects and “thrown a spanner in the works” of the global recovery.

The IMF, which voiced strong misgivings about a vote for Brexit before the EU referendum, said it expected the UK economy to grow by 1.3% in 2017, 0.9 percentage points lower than an estimate made in its World Economic Outlook (WEO), in April.

While the fund is ruling out a full-blown recession, the analysis by one of the leading global economic bodies underlines the financial challenges facing Theresa May’s government during a period when slower growth will lead to lower tax receipts and a bigger budget deficit.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... rexit-vote


It is the same source, with a different rehash of the facts to suit another opinion! ......... the glass is half full or is it half empty? :wink: But whatever ..... Christine Lagarde was adamant it was very, very bad for the UK and would lead to a recession. It seems now that the UK leaving the EU has thrown a spanner in the works for world growth ...... gee, are we really that important, can we really be having that effect on the global economy ? She was wrong before the vote and she will be shown to be wrong again with this forecast! (Well so far, anyway.) :roll: :)
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Lordo » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:21 am

judging by the amount of debt we must be quite important but only because we are buying more then we can afford. well we all know where that ideology leads us.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:48 pm

To say that the IMF previously forecast that the UK economy would certainly go into recession is a distortion of what it actually said. The IMF produced a number of scenarios, and under one of these, it predicted that the UK would fall into recession.

... even under a relatively benign scenario in which the UK negotiated a trade status similar to that between Norway and the EU, output would fall by 1.5% by 2019, compared with where it would be under continued EU membership.

It modelled a less favourable outlook, in which GDP would fall more steeply. “In the adverse scenario of long negotiations and a default to the trade rules of the World Trade Organisation, GDP plunges by 5.5% by 2019,” it said.

Under that scenario, the UK would fall into recession in 2017, IMF officials said. “The implication would be negative growth in 2017,” said one official briefing reporters in a conference call.


https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... referendum
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Paul ZKTV » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:30 pm

Robin Hood wrote:same old stuff


lol you think the UK is going to be left with a glass ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36835566
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:17 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:In the thing called democracy, those who hold minority views are also entitled to argue for them and try to persuade others to adopt them. The viewpoint that says, "We are in the majority, so everybody else must shut up" is known as the 'tyranny of the majority' and is undemocratic.


I agree with you but that I not what happens. Some posters turn to ridicule or downright insults and that is not necessary. I will listen to any argument and give you a counter argument but not if that argument is merely an attack on another's reasoned opinion without something credible to back it. I would agree with a previous statement that on serious issues such as Brexit there should be more than just a simple majority. I also believe that their should be some sort of qualification required that shows that a voter at least has a fundamental knowledge of the political process. I take objection to those that try to make it appear that it was just ignorant, geriatric, pensioners that didn't know what they were voting for that were responsible for the outcome.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:24 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:same old stuff


lol you think the UK is going to be left with a glass ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36835566


Has anybody got a clue what this clown is on about? :roll:
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby CBBB » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:28 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
Paul ZKTV wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:same old stuff


lol you think the UK is going to be left with a glass ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36835566


Has anybody got a clue what this clown is on about? :roll:


Robin Hood wrote:Some posters turn to ridicule or downright insults
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Robin Hood » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:25 pm

CBBB wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Paul ZKTV wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:same old stuff


lol you think the UK is going to be left with a glass ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36835566


Has anybody got a clue what this clown is on about? :roll:


Robin Hood wrote:Some posters turn to ridicule or downright insults


Not ridicule ..... just asking if anyone kows what this clown is talking about. Have you read any of his posts? Most of them are unintelligible!
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Paul ZKTV » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:01 pm

Robin Hood wrote: the glass is half full or is it half empty?


my reply lol you think the UK is going to be left with a glass ...

you can lauf now ...

Robin Hood wrote: I would agree with a previous statement that on serious issues such as Brexit there should be more than just a simple majority. I also believe that their should be some sort of qualification required that shows that a voter at least has a fundamental knowledge of the political process.


Would that exclude those with a yellow star of david on their coats ??
Will you be claming next that you were only obeying orders ...

on a serious note ,pity you dont live in CH
The optional referendum is an instrument of direct democracy in Switzerland. It allows citizens to oppose to laws voted by the parliament. A votation will be organised for every law that collected 50,000 valid signatures of opponents.

these are holes in the sky where the rain gets in ....they are very small thats why rain is thin
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