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[miltiades]

Although Milti's a bit iffy.

Nothing ...iffy about Milti. British through and through !
Born in Cyprus, adopted by the the UK, lived in the UK, still does for over 55 years.

Cares deeply for the country and very concerned at the real prospect of coming out of the EU and entering uncertainty for years to come. You or other supporters of Brexit have thus far failed to inform us of any concrete benefits that this nation and its future generations will derive from being out of the EU. Do tell us Robin, what are the real tangible benefits, none of the nonsense of being in control of our nation blah blah blah. Just one only benefit !!

[Robin Hood]

Although Milti's a bit iffy.

Nothing ...iffy about Milti. British through and through !
Born in Cyprus, adopted by the the UK, lived in the UK, still does for over 55 years.

Cares deeply for the country and very concerned at the real prospect of coming out of the EU and entering uncertainty for years to come. You or other supporters of Brexit have thus far failed to inform us of any concrete benefits that this nation and its future generations will derive from being out of the EU. Do tell us Robin, what are the real tangible benefits, none of the nonsense of being in control of our nation blah blah blah. Just one only benefit !!

I apologise ..... it was tongue in cheek ..... I thought you were born here (Cyprus). Anyway you have been there more years than I have ..... so if I am 'one' then so are you ..... Bro!!!!!

Advantages: We have cut the ties to an increasingly Federal Europe. In WWII, we and most countries in Europe fought against the concept of the Third Reich ....... and by stealth that is the direction Europe is now heading. We may lose some of the benefits but I see the drawbacks of being in a Federal Europe as untenable and many countries of the 27 are waking up to the fact that they are sleepwalking into the Fourth Reich.

It is going to be tough but I think in the long run it will turn out to be the right decision and in the not too distant future many countries will take the same journey. It could be an easy transition but the EU Commission (European Reichstag ) cannot have that ....... it would set a precedent for others. There are (as I understand 28,000) clauses/agreements embedded in the Lisbon Treaty to be sorted out. This 'treaty' was presented to the Dutch I believe as the EU Constitution and they rejected it in a referendum outright ....... and then it re-emerged as the Lisbon Treaty ....... unchanged! Had I voted I would have voted 'remain' but purely because it was the brainless and selfish safe option. Now the decision has been made to go, I think we should stop all the doom philosophies and MAKE IT WORK but on a time scale that suits us ....... not Junker!

[Tim Drayton]

Advantages: We have cut the ties to an increasingly Federal Europe...

But David Cameron secured exemption for the UK from ever closer union in the deal he struck with the EU before the referendum.

From the text of the agreement:

It is recognised that the United Kingdom, in the light of the specific situation it has under the Treaties, is not committed to further political integration into the European Union. The substance of this will be incorporated into the Treaties at the time of their next revision in accordance with the relevant provisions of the Treaties and the respective constitutional requirements of the Member States, so as to make it clear that the references to ever closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKCN0VS2SH

[CBBB]

Is it not rather ironic that nationals of a country that has spent over 40 years negotiating a deal with another group of people within a divided country, without achieving any result of significance in all those years, now feel they are in a position to give their advise and opinion on something they know absolutely nothing about?

How would that be then, Tim, Miltiades, me, Londonrake?

Depends on whether you are a NATIONAL of such a country? Don't you know your nationality? Those you mention don't appear to fit the description ....... I think they are all British ........at least by birth!

Although Milti's a bit iffy.

So it is now revealed who has an opinion on something he knows nothing about.

[Kikapu]

Notice how May picked two Brexit guys, Johnson and Davis to deal with all the Brexit shit with the EU. It was their baby, so let them try and sort it out if they can, and if they can't, then let the Brexit ministers take the blame, and as long as the A50 has not been invoked yet, there will be a chance to have another referendum once the general public fully understand what Brexit would mean.

UK can try and negotiate all they want with any country outside the EU before invoking A50, however, the EU itself is not obliged to do ANY negotiations with the UK until A50 is invoked. The EU will continue taking the UK's money as long as UK still remains part of the EU, and the moment A50 is invoked, the EU will run out the 2 year clock ignoring what the UK want's from the EU, not unless the UK will want to retain all the conditions as it's the case at the moment with the EU, but not be a member, in which case, what was the purpose of the referendum?

[miltiades]

Although Milti's a bit iffy.

Nothing ...iffy about Milti. British through and through !
Born in Cyprus, adopted by the the UK, lived in the UK, still does for over 55 years.

Cares deeply for the country and very concerned at the real prospect of coming out of the EU and entering uncertainty for years to come. You or other supporters of Brexit have thus far failed to inform us of any concrete benefits that this nation and its future generations will derive from being out of the EU. Do tell us Robin, what are the real tangible benefits, none of the nonsense of being in control of our nation blah blah blah. Just one only benefit !!

I apologise ..... it was tongue in cheek ..... I thought you were born here (Cyprus). Anyway you have been there more years than I have ..... so if I am 'one' then so are you ..... Bro!!!!!

Advantages: We have cut the ties to an increasingly Federal Europe. In WWII, we and most countries in Europe fought against the concept of the Third Reich ....... and by stealth that is the direction Europe is now heading. We may lose some of the benefits but I see the drawbacks of being in a Federal Europe as untenable and many countries of the 27 are waking up to the fact that they are sleepwalking into the Fourth Reich.

It is going to be tough but I think in the long run it will turn out to be the right decision and in the not too distant future many countries will take the same journey. It could be an easy transition but the EU Commission (European Reichstag ) cannot have that ....... it would set a precedent for others. There are (as I understand 28,000) clauses/agreements embedded in the Lisbon Treaty to be sorted out. This 'treaty' was presented to the Dutch I believe as the EU Constitution and they rejected it in a referendum outright ....... and then it re-emerged as the Lisbon Treaty ....... unchanged! Had I voted I would have voted 'remain' but purely because it was the brainless and selfish safe option. Now the decision has been made to go, I think we should stop all the doom philosophies and MAKE IT WORK but on a time scale that suits us ....... not Junker!

This being the case why on earth did Brown and Wilson got on their knees begging Charles de Gaulle to drop his objections, why has it taken 40 plus years to decide that the EU does not serve our interests ?

[Tim Drayton]

Talking about past statesmen, let us not forget Winston Churchill’s words spoken in 1946

There is a remedy which ... would in a few years make all Europe ... free and ... happy. It is to re-create the European family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe.

http://europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history/fo ... ill_en.pdf

[miltiades]

Talking about past statesmen, let us not forget Winston Churchill’s words spoken in 1946

There is a remedy which ... would in a few years make all Europe ... free and ... happy. It is to re-create the European family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe.

http://europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history/fo ... ill_en.pdf

Never truer words spoken !
The risks of another European conflict are far more pronounced with the UK out than in.

[CBBB]

Talking about past statesmen, let us not forget Winston Churchill’s words spoken in 1946

There is a remedy which ... would in a few years make all Europe ... free and ... happy. It is to re-create the European family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe.

http://europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history/fo ... ill_en.pdf

Never truer words spoken !
The risks of another European conflict are far more pronounced with the UK out than in.

Especially with Boris as foreign secretary!

[miltiades]

Talking about past statesmen, let us not forget Winston Churchill’s words spoken in 1946

There is a remedy which ... would in a few years make all Europe ... free and ... happy. It is to re-create the European family, or as much of it as we can, and to provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety and in freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe.

http://europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history/fo ... ill_en.pdf

Never truer words spoken !
The risks of another European conflict are far more pronounced with the UK out than in.

Especially with Boris as foreign secretary!

just two months ago, "a poem he concocted about Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan having sexual congress with a goat won the first-place prize in a contest sponsored by Spectator magazine."