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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:50 am

Paul ZKTV wrote:its very simple FREE MOVEMENT = FREE MARKET

it won't take 2 years for such important issues. I won't be surprised if this particular issue that concerns current and new immigrants to or from the UK will be resolved within a few days.
DO YOU MEAN YOURSELF ??' ,as you are now a UK immigrant in cyprus - you cant treat a british OAP or a homeless syrian any different - both are people from outside the EU
and supbejct to proving they have enough income and can pay their own healthcare .


Free movement and settlement of PEOPLE does not mean free MARKET. Full stop!
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Paul ZKTV » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:17 pm

you cant be in the EU/EEA without
FREE MOVEMENT OF CAPITAL - that means you can move your money around the EU without control
FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE - it means anyone can move around looking for work etc
FREE MOVEMENT OF TRADE - good can be move without tarrifs

i know this because CH is in danger of being thrown out of europe over same matter
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/swi ... re-higher/

The limitations of the current series of bilateral agreements – with the Swiss frustrated at their patchy market access (including for financial services) and lack of input into shaping new EU rules – have led to a new round of talks about establishing new forms of institutional cooperation which have been on-going since 2012.

As we noted in our recent Brexit report, the flip-side of Switzerland securing better terms may well be deeper integration with the EU more along the lines of the Norway model (but without formal EEA membership) and continued free movement
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:29 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote:you cant be in the EU/EEA without
FREE MOVEMENT OF CAPITAL - that means you can move your money around the EU without control
FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE - it means anyone can move around looking for work etc
FREE MOVEMENT OF TRADE - good can be move without tarrifs

i know this because CH is in danger of being thrown out of europe over same matter
http://openeurope.org.uk/today/blog/swi ... re-higher/

The limitations of the current series of bilateral agreements – with the Swiss frustrated at their patchy market access (including for financial services) and lack of input into shaping new EU rules – have led to a new round of talks about establishing new forms of institutional cooperation which have been on-going since 2012.

As we noted in our recent Brexit report, the flip-side of Switzerland securing better terms may well be deeper integration with the EU more along the lines of the Norway model (but without formal EEA membership) and continued free movement


That's what I was saying...that the very first thing to be cleared out would be the free movement/settlement of European people.
The rest (free movement of capital free enterprise etc.) are more complicated and of course that would mean the UK is definitely out.

My point about the Syrian refugees was that their eligibility (as refugees) was decided by the EU , and by the minute the UK chose Brexit is has 2 options: a)either accept Eu's verdict and take a certain number -which in effect means continue her obligations to the EU while it has already been deprived some of her rights or b) require her own screening on anyone of those who might want to enter the UK.
Similarly on the matter of people from ex-Eastern European Countries wanting to enter and reside in the UK.

Imo the UK might continue refusing to invoke article 50 for ever, in which case she will end up to a member with full obligations but limited rights, which will then lead to a crash because she will eventually also refuse refuse some of her obligations, which will eventually end up to her passive expulsion :wink:

btw I am not a British Expat, I am a genuine Cypriot. I never have traveled or lived in the UK either, you confused me with RH
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Paul ZKTV » Thu Jun 30, 2016 12:32 pm

As a ROC person do you have a FULL INTERNATIONAL PASSPORT or a ID CARD ??
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby miltiades » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:23 pm

Boris has just announced that he will not be standing in the Conservative party election for the Premiership.

Im delirious about this. Theresa May now the clear favourite !
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Lordo » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:20 pm

the only good conservative is a dead conservative. they are all full of shit. may they and their supporters go to hell

in the light of day it is worth considering how did we get here.
It all started because UKIP were attracting the conservative voters approaching the general election. cameron strategy was to adopt ukip ideology to stop it. so what did cameron do? he started referring to migrants as swarms of people. re also pointed at free movement of eu people as being a problem when the real problem was austerity cuts implemented by his government. remember the 25% cuts across all departments including finances of the local governments. are you telling me this has not caused any problems but the migrants have caused the problems. Is there not the same problem in every region in this country? Is there migrants in all the regions?
He then went on a venture of blackmailing with the referendum to exit the we to restrict free movement of people thinking they would give it to him and got egg all over his face. he came back with almost nothing. in any case the free movement of people was not causing any problem. there is also free movement of people the other way.
we have had the referendum and as soon as he lost, the coward has resigned causing maximum damage to the economy by stringing out the brexit to as long as possible. And now he has the audacity to attack corbyn saying he did not do enough during the referendum, when in reality majority of pabour party members voted to remain and his own party members voted to leave.
just to add to madness that is going on, the lairites have mounted a challenge in the bloodiest way possible to remove corbyn from leadership.
about time the law was changed so that an mp can be removed by their constituency by a majority vote at any time without a by-election. if a prime minister can be removed by mpsS without a by-election why is the same courtesy afforded to the people to remove their mp.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:24 pm

Paul ZKTV wrote:its very simple FREE MOVEMENT = FREE MARKET

it won't take 2 years for such important issues. I won't be surprised if this particular issue that concerns current and new immigrants to or from the UK will be resolved within a few days.
DO YOU MEAN YOURSELF ??' ,as you are now a UK immigrant in cyprus - you cant treat a british OAP or a homeless syrian any different - both are people from outside the EU
and supbejct to proving they have enough income and can pay their own healthcare .


There is a vast difference between a homeless Syrian and a British OAP. It does not take too much intelligence to see the difference.

A homeless immigrant from Syria is unlikely to have an income at all, so that's him off the list before he even qualifies for consideration. Even if you ignore that qualification ..... the chances are, if he is young, as you seem to prefer them, he most likely has a family and those from the Arab world tend to have large families. So now you have a man with no income, no home, no capital but with maybe 3-4 children and a wife. They need housing, an income to support themselves, education for the children who are unlikely to speak the language and of course medical care.

That sounds like one hell of a drain on resources to me! Who is going to pay?

The British OAP has capital and a pension. He is old (65+), he has an OAP wife who shares his capital and has her own pension. They don't need anyone to provide a home as the chances are they will buy one ..... cash. As they don't have children no one needs education. They are self sufficient and all their income will come from abroad via another government. They spend their income into the local economy. They may not speak the language but really they only need that to get a job but they don't intend to work. They may also need some medical care as time goes on but, a reciprocal arrangement between the host government and the home government will take care of that. They may even have sufficient in capital and income that they can provide themselves with healthcare.

They are no burden on the state, contribute far more to the State than they are ever likely to take out of it ..... and won't disturb anyone as they just want to enjoy their declining years by enjoying the fruits of a lifetime of work, in the sun.

Now try being pragmatic ....... if you could take just one immigrant 'family', which one be the most lucrative? To me there is no contest because I would apply selective immigration and take the one that was best for the country. :roll:
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:44 pm

miltiades wrote:Boris has just announced that he will not be standing in the Conservative party election for the Premiership.

Im delirious about this. Theresa May now the clear favourite !


That's because Gove has stepped in. He may be the favourite now.
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Re: Brexit ..... The Movie

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:45 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:...... Over that time, Eastern Europeans will still have the right to come and work here unhindered ....


No, there is no obligation either from the EU or the UK to continue abiding to the current "deal". At current "deal" the UK is supposed to even take a number of Syrian refugees.I am certain she will refuse to abide to such obligation like she will refuse to accept any further free movement and settlement from ex-eastern or other European citizens. Until an agreement is reached both sides have every right to take measures as they see fit.
It won't take 2 years for such important issues. I won't be surprised if this particular issue that concerns current and new immigrants to or from the UK will be resolved within a few days.

If you notice the EU is already acting as if the UK is no longer a member while the UK postpones invoking article 50 thinking she still has full rights. In reality all she has is questionable obligations but unquestionable deprivation of rights. She will soon wake up and realize that the sooner she invokes article 50 the less her damages will be.


Since when was Syria in Eastern Europe? I hope you are not a geography teacher.
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