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[miltiades]

And of course there are Tim. I'm pleased that because of my work I meet all sorts of people and being inquisitive I do interact with most. What I did find is that the older generation was mostly anti EU where as you rightly say the young the opposite. I also found that almost all foreigners or those of foreign family origin were pro EU. I too care about my country, I also care about my birth country and the possibility that the EU might be faced with other nation members having to decide with a referendum membership continuation .

I have always been pro EU, Im also very much pro Euro. I do not buy the myth that the EU was responsible for the catastrophic economic ills of Cyprus. I believe in a united Europe, a strong Europe both financially and politically.

[Tim Drayton]

Incidentally, these are early days and the leave camp are still in euphoria. Do you not see turmoil ahead as the shine starts to fall of? Do you believe that son of a stockbroker, ex-public school boy, ex-city trader sleazy drunk Nigel Farage gives one toss about the masses in the rundown ex-industrial towns whose base emotions he so skillfully aroused? Because I don't. I don't think the ex-Etonian opportunists who threw in their lot with the far right do either. The realisation will sink in that they were just used as pawns in another game. Then, consider the way that the far right virtually hijacked the poll and turned it into a referendum on immigration. Well, the consensus view in the city as I hear it is that the earliest possible EU exit date will be 2019 given that it will take a good while before anybody gets round to triggering Article 50 and then the negotiations will be long and protracted and will certainly drag out over the full two year period. This means that the UK will remain a full member of the EU for the next three years at the very least. Over that time, Eastern Europeans will still have the right to come and work here unhindered - and David Cameron's bar on claiming benefits for the first four years that may have acted as some kind of disincentive has been thrown out of the window - so the only thing that will act as a brake on migration from Eastern Europe will be an improvement in the economies of those countries. How long will it before we hear voices saying, "Oi. We voted to get the wogs out and now there's more wogs coming. What's happening?"

I see plenty of trouble in store for the remain camp.

[Tim Drayton]

And of course there are Tim. I'm pleased that because of my work I meet all sorts of people and being inquisitive I do interact with most. What I did find is that the older generation was mostly anti EU where as you rightly say the young the opposite. I also found that almost all foreigners or those of foreign family origin were pro EU. I too care about my country, I also care about my birth country and the possibility that the EU might be faced with other nation members having to decide with a referendum membership continuation .

I have always been pro EU, Im also very much pro Euro. I do not buy the myth that the EU was responsible for the catastrophic economic ills of Cyprus. I believe in a united Europe, a strong Europe both financially and politically.

One thing is clear. Now that half of the population is going to university, there is a very different younger generation coming along.

[miltiades]

Incidentally, these are early days and the leave camp are still in euphoria. Do you not see turmoil ahead as the shine starts to fall of? Do you believe that son of a stockbroker, ex-public school boy, ex-city trader sleazy drunk Nigel Farage gives one toss about the masses in the rundown ex-industrial towns whose base emotions he so skillfully aroused? Because I don't. I don't think the ex-Etonian opportunists who threw in their lot with the far right do either. The realisation will sink in that they were just used as pawns in another game. Then, consider the way that the far right virtually hijacked the poll and turned it into a referendum on immigration. Well, the consensus view in the city as I hear it is that the earliest possible EU exit date will be 2019 given that it will take a good while before anybody gets round to triggering Article 50 and then the negotiations will be long and protracted and will certainly drag out over the full two year period. This means that the UK will remain a full member of the EU for the next three years at the very least. Over that time, Eastern Europeans will still have the right to come and work here unhindered - and David Cameron's bar on claiming benefits for the first four years that may have acted as some kind of disincentive has been thrown out of the window - so the only thing that will act as a brake on migration from Eastern Europe will be an improvement in the economies of those countries. How long will it before we hear voices saying, "Oi. We voted to get the wogs out and now there's more wogs coming. What's happening?"

I see plenty of trouble in store for the remain camp.

Only time can tell Tim. Its by no means certain that A.50 will be invoked! Much depends on the next few months developments both in political and economic terms.

[Tim Drayton]

Incidentally, these are early days and the leave camp are still in euphoria. Do you not see turmoil ahead as the shine starts to fall of? Do you believe that son of a stockbroker, ex-public school boy, ex-city trader sleazy drunk Nigel Farage gives one toss about the masses in the rundown ex-industrial towns whose base emotions he so skillfully aroused? Because I don't. I don't think the ex-Etonian opportunists who threw in their lot with the far right do either. The realisation will sink in that they were just used as pawns in another game. Then, consider the way that the far right virtually hijacked the poll and turned it into a referendum on immigration. Well, the consensus view in the city as I hear it is that the earliest possible EU exit date will be 2019 given that it will take a good while before anybody gets round to triggering Article 50 and then the negotiations will be long and protracted and will certainly drag out over the full two year period. This means that the UK will remain a full member of the EU for the next three years at the very least. Over that time, Eastern Europeans will still have the right to come and work here unhindered - and David Cameron's bar on claiming benefits for the first four years that may have acted as some kind of disincentive has been thrown out of the window - so the only thing that will act as a brake on migration from Eastern Europe will be an improvement in the economies of those countries. How long will it before we hear voices saying, "Oi. We voted to get the wogs out and now there's more wogs coming. What's happening?"

I see plenty of trouble in store for the remain camp.

Only time can tell Tim. Its by no means certain that A.50 will be invoked! Much depends on the next few months developments both in political and economic terms.

I agree with you there. I would rather see my country saved than have the bitter delight of saying, "Told you so." Even so, if Article 50 is not invoked - let's say the clown, having won his silly Bullingdon Club type game, has more sense than to pull the plug on the country - won't the leave camp have some explaining to do? It's early days and I see plenty of trouble coming whatever happens.

By the way, I would like to make my position clear. I have always been an enthusiastic supporter of the project to bring Europe together after the disaster of World War II and I was in fact involved in the 1975 'yes' campaign as a university student - I can still vividly recall the sheer boredom of standing outside a polling station all day handing out leaflets - but I also believe that a cancer has taken root at the heart of the EU and it needs a thorough reform. My position is that we have to be inside to reform it. It is also vital to UK interests that we remain inside the biggest trade bloc in the world that has been able, with its clout, to negotiate excellent trade deals with the whole world and it is crucial for the city, the last remaining prop of our economy, to be able to have full access to the European market to survive, but I really hoped to see the UK as a force that would help to reform the EU and put it back on track (not that I had much hope of that happening under a bunch of ex-Etonian toffs). I had hoped that the remain camp would base its campaign on a platform that acknowledged the EU's very real faults and spelt out a programme to stay in and reform it, but instead they went with threats. This was a big disappointment for me.

PS - There is talk that if the UK breaks up, England will probably lose its place on the UN Security Council.

[Tim Drayton]

Never mind, let’s cheer ourselves up with the good news being spouted out by the Daily Express, quoting Farage, who has finally sobered up and made some comments:

[Farage:]“yesterday the Prime Ministers of Australia and New Zealand said they’re in a race for who could be the first country to make a trade deal with Britain outside the European Union”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/684235 ... de-with-UK

Great news! Unfortunately, not so, if we look at what the Australian prime-minister actually said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-27/t ... ns/7546890

Where he expresses concern over the threat posed by the far right in Europe and stresses that Australia and New Zealand must cooperate closely over any new potential trade deal.

Heaven help us if Führer Farage comes to power and the Express, with its jingoistic nonsense and lies, becomes the sole permitted news source!

[Tim Drayton]

Theresa May has recently said, launching her campaign against the clown for the Tory leadership: "Some need to be told that what the government does isn't a game, it's a serious business that has real consequences for people's lives.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/may-launches- ... 00715.html

I’m glad to see there are others, even from the ranks of the party, who think that the task of government cannot be treated like a drunken prank in the Bullingdon Club.

[Paul ZKTV]

yes she will become leader - but she could be the shortest prime minister in history - ken clark will bring a GE before XMAS
then its VOTE TORY to leave EU -VOTE LD to stay in EU
VOTE LABOUR to ???

[Pyrpolizer]

...... Over that time, Eastern Europeans will still have the right to come and work here unhindered ....

No, there is no obligation either from the EU or the UK to continue abiding to the current "deal". At current "deal" the UK is supposed to even take a number of Syrian refugees.I am certain she will refuse to abide to such obligation like she will refuse to accept any further free movement and settlement from ex-eastern or other European citizens. Until an agreement is reached both sides have every right to take measures as they see fit.
It won't take 2 years for such important issues. I won't be surprised if this particular issue that concerns current and new immigrants to or from the UK will be resolved within a few days.

If you notice the EU is already acting as if the UK is no longer a member while the UK postpones invoking article 50 thinking she still has full rights. In reality all she has is questionable obligations but unquestionable deprivation of rights. She will soon wake up and realize that the sooner she invokes article 50 the less her damages will be.

[Paul ZKTV]

its very simple FREE MOVEMENT = FREE MARKET

it won't take 2 years for such important issues. I won't be surprised if this particular issue that concerns current and new immigrants to or from the UK will be resolved within a few days.
DO YOU MEAN YOURSELF ??' ,as you are now a UK immigrant in cyprus - you cant treat a british OAP or a homeless syrian any different - both are people from outside the EU
and supbejct to proving they have enough income and can pay their own healthcare .