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[Tim Drayton]

Will Parliament vote for exit, this is the big question since the vast majority of MPs support the remain camp.

No doubt many speeches will be made urging MPs to " respect" the wishes of the majority referendum voters.

Whether MPs do so will depend on the outcome over the next few months. My personal opinion is that the House will vote down the " INVOKE" action, so much time will have been wasted and Britain may well continue as a member of the EU. All depends of developments over the next few months. It is certainly not entirely final that the UK will exit the EU.

Experts on constitutional law are saying that a parliamentary vote is necessary. I think there are many factors that members of parliament need to consider. As the leave said kept saying before the referendum, they would respect a remain result providing it was not very narrow. Well, surely the reverse applies. On such a vitally important issue, does a very narrow leave vote indicate that there is a decisive consensus among the population to take this leap into the dark? What about the fact that 70% of under-30's, and 75% of the 18-22 age group voted remain? Surely they are the ones who will be most affected by this decision, and it is their futures that are at stake. What about the future of those too young to vote? Is that not a factor that responsible adults must consider if they genuinely believe that a decision to leave will mean that their futures will be far less bright? Sadly, fewer younger than older people are registered to vote, but, on the other hand, can a result by such a narrow margin really be said to be representative if it is skewed in favour of the older generation? The turnout in Scotland, where support for EU membership is high, was low, and if more people in Scotland had voted, the result may have been closer to 49-50. I really do not see a convincing majority in favour of leaving. Essentially, the nation is divided 50-50. What about the way the far right shamelessly stoked up the flames of racism in deprived areas to engineer a leave vote? Can it really be said that there was an honest debate and a decision made on the merits at issue against such a background? In fact, so much did the far right hijack the leave campaign with its message of hate that it has to be said that the whole referendum was hijacked and turned in to a referendum on immigration. This is born out in interview after interview with people who voted leave. As such, the whole referendum became invalidated and was turned into a vote on a different issue. Ultimately, members of parliament are elected by their constituents to represent them to the best of their ability as their consciences dictate. They must look to their consciences as they vote.

[Tim Drayton]

yes he [Farage] is not a fascist ,he is a neo-fascist

You could of course argue that neo-facism is a sub-category of fascism and so we both right.

On the other hand, we are just going by his current pronouncements and public image. I often wonder what he says behind closed doors among like-minded people. Remember that the Nazis didn't start out with death camps. They just started by vilifying and scapegoating certain ethnic groups and even publicly distanced themselves from thuggish acts by their supporters. The Nazis stood in a quite a few elections, and I don't think you will find the final solution or death camps were ever included in the manifestos they stood on. In fact, I'm sure if you analysed those manifestos you would conclude that they were neo-fasicst rather than fascist.

[miltiades]

I'm convinced, that since it appears that legally the British Parliament has to vote,that referendum results will be ignored and the UK will continue its EU membership.

[Tim Drayton]

I'm convinced, that since it appears that legally the British Parliament has to vote,that referendum results will be ignored and the UK will continue its EU membership.

I'm not convinced, I'm afraid, although it is not impossible. Most leading politicians are already talking about this result by a flimsy margin being something that must be respected. MPs will probably have to vote along party lines rather than it being a free vote, although there could be some dissenters.

[Pyrpolizer]

" Brexit loophole? MPs must still vote in order for Britain to leave the EU, say top lawyers "

This being the case and since the overwhelming majority of MPs do not support exit from the EU, it looks that invoking article 50 would require a majority vote in the House of Commons.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 05181.html

Will Britain remain in the EU even though the referendum called for an exit? Who knows ...

You will find out that the power of a referendum result (which is directly drawn from the people themselves) overrides the power of MPs.
I don't know how MPs get elected in the UK but if we take Cyprus' system it's quite possible for a party to get inflated number of MPs that don't correspond to the % number of votes they got.
These are very basic issues of any democratic system, and don't forget that any effort to bypass the result of the referendum might be challenged in EU or any other international courts.
The truth is the UK is already out, and British commissioners were already kicked out .
Article 50 just sets the date of the funeral of an already dead member. Sorry.

[Pyrpolizer]

Will Parliament vote for exit, this is the big question since the vast majority of MPs support the remain camp.

No doubt many speeches will be made urging MPs to " respect" the wishes of the majority referendum voters.

Whether MPs do so will depend on the outcome over the next few months. My personal opinion is that the House will vote down the " INVOKE" action, so much time will have been wasted and Britain may well continue as a member of the EU. All depends of developments over the next few months. It is certainly not entirely final that the UK will exit the EU.

Experts on constitutional law are saying that a parliamentary vote is necessary. I think there are many factors that members of parliament need to consider. As the leave said kept saying before the referendum, they would respect a remain result providing it was not very narrow.

If this is true then your particular law is unconstitutional.
No parliament can overrule a referendum result.
On the other hand you could have set conditions both for joining or leaving the EU. Such decisions affect generations upon generations. Imo -and I mentioned this before- referendums for such decisions should be on a 60-40% basis, not 51-49%. You haven't set such conditions, so you missed the train. Let this be a lesson for the rest of EU member states.

[kurupetos]

On the other hand, I still think the bunch of clowns and buffoons behind the exit campaign have to be put on the spot and told to sort things out.

I take it you don't like Farage...

Correct. I don't like any fascists.

It's easy to label people, Tim... but unfortunately for you... majority rules.

IMO, you don't like democracy... which makes you a....




...FASCIST!

Rupert Murdoch has been able to call the result of every poll in the UK for about the past thirty years. When the New Labour project was initiated, one of the things they had to do was go to Australia and get Rupert Murdoch's support. That's one man and he's not even a national. How's that a majority?

Apart from that, where have I said that I don't accept the result by a slim majority? I believe that the UK stands on the brink of destruction - although a lot depends on what still happens and there is plenty to play for - as a result of this vote, but I accept that it happened.

I agree. It was about time...

Cyprus will soon be liberated, mate!

[Robin Hood]

Since the announcements have we seen any factories, hospitals or schools close? Have we seen any corner shops put up the shutters? Have we seen employers handing out notices to employees? Have we seen crowds of EU nationals being rounded up ready to be deported? Have there been queues at supermarkets as people panic by food and other essentials? Are there queues at petrol stations?

Answer = NO!

British entrepreneur Richard Branson on Tuesday said his Virgin Group had pulled out of a deal involving 3,000 jobs after Britain voted to leave the EU.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/branson-says- ... 41287.html

Well that's one .... a few more to go before it could be described as a max exodus. He was in the remain camp I believe?

[Robin Hood]

Absolutely no shop anywhere in the UK is closing down? That's rather a broad generalisation, isn't it? Photographed in Redcar, North Yorkshire:

Wow .....I'm impressed that was real quick ...... referendum result Thursday and by Tues he has sold up all his stock, settled the terms of his lease,cleared the fixtures and fittings and white washed the windows ..... maybe even laid off some staff! Do you think maybe you have missed something here?

[Londonrake]

I'm convinced, that since it appears that legally the British Parliament has to vote,that referendum results will be ignored and the UK will continue its EU membership.

I'm not convinced, I'm afraid, although it is not impossible. Most leading politicians are already talking about this result by a flimsy margin being something that must be respected. MPs will probably have to vote along party lines rather than it being a free vote, although there could be some dissenters.

Is "flimsy margin" a euphemism for "majority"? I think it was something like a million more votes to leave and 4%. Enough to form a government. Speaking of which. At my age, I wish to God I could have petulantly called for another round of voting on some of the appalling governments that have inflicted their policies on the UK over the past 50 years with such a slender majority. It's known as "The tyranny of democracy". You really need to calm down and think about what you're advocating.

With extreme apologies to RH.