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[boomerang]

Anyway, it can't happen until Article 50 is invoked.

but it started already...not declaring article 50 ASAP, means the UK is out of all mechanisms within the EU while still carrying the responsibility... i.e. paying with no voice

[Tim Drayton]

Health secretary Jeremy Hunt has written in his column in the Daily Telegraph:

"Firstly we must not invoke article 50 straight away because that puts a time limit of two years on negotiations after which we could be thrown out with no deal at all.

So before setting the clock ticking, we need to negotiate a deal and put it to the British people, either in a referendum or through the Conservative manifesto at a fresh general election."

The only snag is Brussels says no talks until you invoke that article.

[Tim Drayton]

Anyway, it can't happen until Article 50 is invoked.

but it started already...not declaring article 50 ASAP, means the UK is out of all mechanisms within the EU while still carrying the responsibility... i.e. paying with no voice

I don't think so. Until Article 50 is invoked the UK is technically a full EU member state with all of the rights and duties that this confers. You may be right in the sense that the UK will begin to be cold-shouldered and its views and concerns taken less seriously.

[GreekIslandGirl]

George Osborne has said, "It was not the responsibility of those who wanted to remain in the EU to explain what plan we would follow if we voted to quit the EU." Quite so.

Completely disagree! The government which took the country down the road of a referendum had FULL responsibility for having a plan for EITHER outcome! If they didn't count on losing, that's their arrogance talking and it should not be the British public that have to suffer because Cameron and Osborne couldn't be arsed to solve the mess which they got the UK into - yes, the mess which Cameron and Osborne as leaders have got the country into. Not the buffoons who were not leading the UK - they can get off Scot free.

I cannot stress enough how disgraceful I think Cameron has behaved - not just now with his diva-ish flouncing off and washing his slithery hands off all responsibility but all the time he has been in power - he has made racist remarks as I have stated before and blamed immigrants and blamed Greece etc - he blamed everybody except himself and he was the one destroying the country the whole time!

Well thank you very much for another Eton Mess!

[Tim Drayton]

As the New Yorker sees it:

http://gothamist.com/2016/06/24/new_yor ... is_per.php (The site won't let me post the front page as an image, I'm afraid)

Not exactly so, actually, as people working in the city voted overwhelmingly to remain and the vote was swung by a different demographic, who effectively pushed them off that cliff. In fact, if Frankfurt becomes the new financial centre of Europe, the real high flyers in the sector will simply migrate there, and will have no problem obtaining work and residence permits because Germany will welcome them with open arms as people having skills that are needed. (I am even thinking that as a fluent German speaker there may be openings for me in the new Frankfurt, a city I once live in). The people who will be hit will be the very welfare-dependent white trash whose justified disaffection with the current state of affairs was exploited so cleverly to engineer this situation and who might find that their paltry benefits dry up when there is no more city to bankroll them. They may then well wish that they could go and stand on street corners in Frankfurt waiting to be hired as day labourers for the minimum wage, but I can't see Germany giving them work permits as cheap unskilled labour is in abundant supply. History seems to love irony.

[Tim Drayton]

George Osborne has said, "It was not the responsibility of those who wanted to remain in the EU to explain what plan we would follow if we voted to quit the EU." Quite so.

Completely disagree! The government which took the country down the road of a referendum had FULL responsibility for having a plan for EITHER outcome! If they didn't count on losing, that's their arrogance talking and it should not be the British public that have to suffer because Cameron and Osborne couldn't be arsed to solve the mess which they got the UK into - yes, the mess which Cameron and Osborne as leaders have got the country into. Not the buffoons who were not leading the UK - they can get off Scot free.

I cannot stress enough how disgraceful I think Cameron has behaved - not just now with his diva-ish flouncing off and washing his slithery hands off all responsibility but all the time he has been in power - he has made racist remarks as I have stated before and blamed immigrants and blamed Greece etc - he blamed everybody except himself and he was the one destroying the country the whole time!

Well thank you very much for another Eton Mess!

I take your point. For one thing, Cameron was forced into holding a referendum that he didn't really plan to. The promise to hold an in/out referendum started out as a tactic in the last general election to try to stop too many Tory votes flooding to noxious UKIP and in that I applaud him. The problem is, it proved to be too successful a tactic because it won his party an overall majority when he was expecting to be in a coalition with the LibDems who he could safely rely on to veto a referendum. Of course, the far-right fellow travelers with UKIP in his own party then forced the issue, and so the referendum that was never meant to happen did.

Well, I had a sincere conviction that if the Conservatives remained in after the last election, it was going to be disastrous for the country, and I had no confidence in a bunch of Bullingdon Club ex-Etonians. Just as I was over the moon about having a man of the people back in as London mayor - now this. My gut conviction has been proved right.

On the other hand, I still think the bunch of clowns and buffoons behind the exit campaign have to be put on the spot and told to sort things out. I know they are not capable of this, and just in the interests of exposing them for what they are. Otherwise, yes, if you hold an in/out referendum, you'd better have a contingency plan for both possibilities.

[Tim Drayton]

Just for the benefit of those who didn’t know, it is spelt out here in an article from across the pond:

Why Brexit could ‘kill’ London as a top financial hub

The U.K. exit from the European Union risks costing the City of London billions of pounds, thousands of workers and its spot as the world’s top financial center.
The lost status centers on one simple process that’s complex to undo: passporting.

The mechanism allows British-based financial institutions such as banks, fund managers and insurers to seamlessly sell their services across the 28 EU nations without having to get regulator approval or set up subsidiaries in each member state.

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Never mind. One idiot here went backpacking across Europe in his youth on a British passport before the EU existed and because he was able to go anywhere he wanted in Europe as a tourist, that means free movement existed then and will exist again. Except ... it’s all a bit more complicated than that.

[Tim Drayton]

A different view from the left, and which makes some sense to me:

There is a lot of finger-wagging on Twitter and elsewhere about how the exit voters have just triggered economic self-destruction. House prices will fall, savings will be diminished, the pound will weaken, jobs will dry up. Well, that's all true. Except. Not everyone benefits from the insane property market. Not everyone has savings. Not everyone benefits, as the City does, from a strong pound. Manufacturing has suffered from that priority. Large parts of the country have been hemorrhaging jobs for years. "The economy" is not a neutral terrain experienced by everyone in exactly the same way. And some of the votes, coming in core Labour areas, not necessarily strongly racist areas at first glance, indicate that. So people have voted against an economy that wasn't working to their benefit. (That doesn't mean the practical alternative will not be worse. I suspect it will be a great deal worse.)

https://socialistworker.org/2016/06/27/ ... rexit-vote

Viewed from a different angle, the post-Thatcher post-industrial landscape is littered with demolished communities that have been long forgotten about by everyone, including new Labour, and given the chance and with nothing left to lose, they have turned round, said **** *** and destroyed everything for everybody. Perhaps this was not such irrational behaviour after all.

[Robin Hood]

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...the last thing countries like France and Germany want is to find the export markets and import markets between them and the UK blocked.

Oh, so those lovely continentals are not going to grab the opportunity by the horns to drag the financial centre of Europe to the continent and deprive the UK of the one remaining sector that was propping it up. How nice. It seems all those wogs, wops, krauts, froggies, ities and others whom the toxic right-wing tabloids have been indoctrinating the poorly educated masses to hate over the years are really not so bad, then. Can we expect a change in editorial policy, now?
Perhaps not in view of the latest disgraceful froggie-bashing headline in today’s Daily Express:
“France threatens to let THOUSANDS of Calais migrants into Britain in revenge for Brexit”

You have stopped making sensible and reasoned posts. All you do now is scream doom, gloom and ridicule!

[Get Real!]

On the other hand, I still think the bunch of clowns and buffoons behind the exit campaign have to be put on the spot and told to sort things out.

I take it you don't like Farage...