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[Tim Drayton]

“Australia’s trade minister has indicated any free trade deal between the UK and his country would have to wait until 2019 at the earliest.

Steven Ciobo also said this morning that Australia was likely to complete its deal with the European Union before it signed one with Britain.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/u ... 5a02dc881f

It seems like those Australians are pretty shrewd people. They appear to be more interested in concluding a deal with a bloc of 640 million people (with the UK’s population subtracted) having an annual GDP of 13.5 trillion euro (with the UK’s GDP subtracted), than with a country of 64 million and an annual GDP of about 2.5 trillion euro.

Of course this is not the picture presented by the right-wing gutter press, but those of us on this forum are aware enough to realise that this is the so-called MSM and cannot be relied on. E.g.:

Britain gets massive post-Brexit economic boost as Australia offers monumental trade deal
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/707209 ... -Brexit-EU

PS Dear Daily Express - What about the even more monumental deal between Australia and the EU that the UK is going to cut itself out of?

[Robin Hood]

Tim:
Instead of fatuous attention to the negative reports from the MSM, try seeking out organisations that give you the back ground information, rather than just quote the negative bits that seem to please you so much. In the thread about ‘Toasted Cyprus Banks’ you were very quick to point out how the MSM distort facts ...... remember? Try to balance your views.

The chances are that when Australia finds itself in trouble as China slows down and needs less iron ore, they will soon want to arrange deals ..... it’s just common sense. If we are by then doing deals with say Brazil, Argentina, New Zealand and no longer need to buy from Australia .... they will lose out. Countries do not turn their backs on trade to make a point .... that would be financial suicide. This is all playing to the Gallery!

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

Look at how much Germany sells to the UK ..... do you really think they would risk damaging that trade just to teach us a lesson? Already German workers in the car industry have seen their hours cut simply on speculation.

Then try this one ..... then use a bit of common sense!

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-3666465/How-does-EU-need-Britain-s-trade-Brexit-means-ll-out.html

[Tim Drayton]

As to trade deals, it's like with all business deals. Let's say Mr Smith wants to place a £10,000 order with company X, and Mr Brown wants to place a £100,000 order with the same company. Who gets the red carpet treatment and who gets the best deal in terms of price? The larger the volume of business, the better the deal you get. That's why big supermarkets, which buy large amounts, can underprice corner shops.

It is obvious that the EU will get a better trade deal with Australia than the one the UK will end up with years later if it walks out of the EU and away from the EU-Australia deal. You talk about using common sense. Try doing that here. Is this a sensible thing to do?

[Tim Drayton]

As to what you call the MSM, here are a couple of articles explaining how the right-wing press in the UK, surely part of the MSM, engineered the kind of Europhobic sentiment that resulted in the leave vote, and speculate on some of the possible motives.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tippling/2 ... eferendum/

https://earthwarriorblog.wordpress.com/ ... ne-for-us/

You really cannot rail against the MSM one minute and spout the kind of bilge emanating from the likes of the Mail and Express the next. Choose one.

[Tim Drayton]

As to the motives I mentioned above, I think the following conclusion is close to the money:

So key question is in light of the above list, why have these billionaires for decades tried to destroy the EU’s democratic institutions?

The simple answer is that they fear the EU’s collective strength is big enough to force them to pay the billions in taxation that they are avoiding through tax havens and want to destroy the rights it gives their workers. And crucially they want to gain almost total control over the UK’s government for the billionaire class interests, which their corporations represent.

https://earthwarriorblog.wordpress.com/ ... ne-for-us/

[Tim Drayton]

Countries do not turn their backs on trade to make a point .... that would be financial suicide. This is all playing to the Gallery!

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Man of straw fallacy, yet again. Where did I say that, "Countries turn their backs on trade to make a point?" I said that Australia is far more interested in doing a trade deal with the EU (population 640 million people - with the UK’s population subtracted) than with the UK (population 64 million). Australia’s trade minister, Steven Ciobo, has confirmed that the former is his country's first priority. What does that have to do with making a point?

[Paul ZKTV]

Countries do not turn their backs on trade to make a point .... that would be financial suicide. This is all playing to the Gallery!

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Man of straw fallacy, yet again. Where did I say that, "Countries do not turn their backs on trade to make a point?" I said that Australia is far more interested in doing a trade deal with the EU (population 640 million people - with the UK’s population subtracted) than with the UK (population 64 million). Australia’s trade minister, Steven Ciobo, has confirmed that the former is his country's first priority. What does that have to do with making a point?

I Looked into this a bit and the ONLY thing that OZ can sell UK is ....SHEEP !!!
no one is going to ship IRON ORE from there and no one is going flog em jap made cars
when they are near japan .

just for the record the EEA which is the EU de facto and EU de jure ,has more people then that ,
and the EURO and currency pegged to it is used by 1,000,000,000 people ....


The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) or Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) is a trade agreement among twelve Pacific Rim countries. The finalized proposal was signed on 4 February 2016 in Auckland, New Zealand, concluding seven years of negotiations. It is currently awaiting ratification to enter into force. The 30 chapters of the agreement aim to "promote economic growth; support the creation and retention of jobs; enhance innovation, productivity and competitiveness; raise living standards; reduce poverty in the signatories' countries; and promote transparency, good governance, and enhanced labor and environmental protections. The TPP contains measures to lower both non-tariff and tariff barriers to trade,
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Australia
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Canada
Chile
Japan
Malaysia
Mexico
New Zealand
Peru
Singapore
United States
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Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, European Council President Donald Tusk, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, French President François Hollande, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi and UK Prime Minister David Cameron, made the following joint statement in the margins of the G7 Summit in Ise-Shima:
“We, the Leaders of Japan, the European Union, France, Germany, Italy and the United Kingdom, welcome the view shared by the leaders of Japan and the European Union on the occasion of their meeting on 3 May 2016 to instruct their respective negotiators to accelerate the negotiations on the Japan-EU Economic Partnership Agreement (EPA)/Free Trade Agreement (FTA) and reaffirm our strong commitment to reach agreement in principle as early as possible in 2016.

We commend the work of our negotiators over the last 3 years, and for the substantial progress already made.

[Paul ZKTV]

The chances are that when Australia finds itself in trouble as China slows down and needs less iron ore, they will soon want to arrange deals ..... it’s just common sense. If we are by then doing deals with say Brazil, Argentina, New Zealand and no longer need to buy from Australia .... they will lose out. Countries do not turn their backs on trade to make a point .... that would be financial suicide.

or they could buy and sell from 12 countries close to then in TPP
The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) or Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPPA) is a trade agreement among twelve Pacific Rim countries. The finalized proposal was signed on 4 February 2016 in Auckland, New Zealand, concluding seven years of negotiations. It is currently awaiting ratification to enter into force.

Look at how much Germany sells to the UK ..... do you really think they would risk damaging that trade just to teach us a lesson?
Then try this one ..... then use a bit of common sense!

the UK is a dirty rundown ignorant unhealthy victorian dump,but it has one thing stopping it being a basket case
THE CITY OF LONDON - german can flog cars to any where in the world ,but to get hold of the CITY is beyond the dreams of anyone in DE
you aint going to get free trade ,they dont care ,they dont want the UK they have had enough ,without it they can move forward to a de facto GERMANIA ..

[Tim Drayton]

What’s more, whilst Australia is likely to be very keen to put pen to paper, the UK isn’t as important to them as some have led us to believe. The UK might be, until Article 50 is triggered, Australia’s leading trade partner within the EU. But when you take the rest of the world into account, Britain is only Australia’s eighth largest export market; and our trade with Australia is worth less than a tenth of the country’s dealings with China. What’s more, whilst the UK does remain an important market for Australian goods and services, exports to the UK from Down Under have actually been falling – dropping by £0.1bn between last December and January 2016. Of course, this is, relatively speaking, only a small drop but one that signals a hint that Australian businesses rely on the rest of the world much more than they do the UK.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/le ... australia/

Never mind, the Daily Express tells us that the Aussies are desperate to do a deal with us!

[Tim Drayton]

This is from an Australian school textbook. I am not sure how up-to-date it is. It is surely clear that trading with the UK is not a major priority for Australia, regardless of what the Express says.

Trade with the United Kingdom

Britain was once Australia's main trade partner. After Federation, Britain maintained control of Australia's trading policies, and any products exported to Britain were free of any taxes.

This all began to change after World War II, as Britain began trading more with the closer European countries and Australia began to trade more with countries such as Japan and the United States.

Australia's main exports to the United Kingdom are alcoholic beverages, gold and coal. Our main imports from the UK are medicines, magazines and books and motor vehicles.

At present, the UK accounts for only 0.7%, a very small amount, of Australia's exports.

http://www.skwirk.com/p-c_s-1_u-22_t-21 ... obal-trade