GreekIslandGirl wrote:erolz66 wrote:GreekIslandGirl wrote:Yes, Greece famously has the longest coastline in the EU.
It stands to reason they will have the greatest number of illegal sea entrants. Are migrants fools?
- And that's without even factoring in Greece's proximity to crisis-creating, awful-neighbour Turkey.
And yet, this is ignored and suppressed in the preference to branding Greece as somehow 'deficient' by mendacious Greek-haters.
As I have said many times already an argument that any country in Greece's situation would have also been found to be seriously neglecting it's obligations, would be a rational argument. Just denying that the EU concluded Greece was seriously neglecting its obligations, when the EU did conclude this, which is what you have been doing for over four months now, is not rational argument - it is denial of reality.
No, "reality" is what is happening not how it is misinterpreted or portrayed by choice of erroneous or politically motivated rhetoric. You choose to brand a lie that "Greece is deficient" because it suits you to believe such a lie even when you KNOW that others were managing the EU external borders - but I see you have now finally turned to accepting that other Agencies are being "bolstered" (that means you finally accept they were deficient) and since the long-term solution, which I had extrapolated for you from the material you chose to ignore - which was to bolster JOINT EU management, has been helping.
Your stance has softened under the weight of the evidence that only the passage of these last few months could have done, so I'll give you that. But even if now you at least mention the migrants arriving illegally from Turkey, you are still pretty resistant to the truth/reality of how enormous that negative contribution to the management of the EU's external border has been.
By Gigs twisted logic it must be her beloved EU who are tge Greek haters sunce it is they who used those terms
Migration and Home Affairs Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos said: "If we want to maintain our internal area of free movement, we must better manage our external borders. This means that we will only save Schengen by applying Schengen. The Commission continuously monitors the implementation of the Schengen rules in all Schengen Member States. The draft Schengen evaluation report on Greece looks at the management of the external border during an evaluation visit of Member States and Commission experts in Greece in November. The report shows that there are serious deficiencies in the management of the external border in Greece. We know that in the meantime Greece has started undertaking efforts towards rectifying and complying with the Schengen rules. Substantial improvements are needed to ensure the proper reception, registration, relocation or return of migrants in order to bring Schengen functioning back to normal, without internal border controls. This is our ultimate common goal."
The draft report – which is not public – is based on unannounced site visits to the Greek-Turkish land border and to Chios and Samos conducted from 10 to 13 November 2015. The report looks at the presence of police and coast guard personnel on the inspected sites, the efficiency of the identification and registration process, sea border surveillance and cooperation with neighbouring countries. Whilst acknowledging that the Greek authorities are under pressure, the report notably finds that there is no effective identification and registration of irregular migrants and that fingerprints are not being systematically entered into the system and travel documents are not being systematically checked for the authenticity or against crucial security databases, such as SIS, Interpol and national databases. On this basis, the draft report concludes that Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities.
That is what the EU has stated in essenetially the same terms in a number of official documents between 27th Jan and tge lated on 12th May.
Thst is the reality Gig,has continued to deny, that it is the EU who have said such things.
That is in my view becuase she is possibly clinically mental ill, with delusions and paranoia, when it comes in particular to Greece. The delusions are that Greece cannot be criticised becuse Greece can never be wrong. The EU, not Erolz or I, disagree. They have found Greece was Seriously neglecting its obligations, they have used the words "seriously deficient".
Erolz and I merely quote them.
It is paranoia beceause it is all part of an anti Greek plot, by Greek haters, ignoring the possibility that there may be foundations of truth in what the EU found and reported, but no, the EU must be wrong as. Greece is to her the epitome of perfection. See point above about delusions.
It is cyclical and self supporting. I think the paranoia and delusions feed off each other.
She Is not open to the view the EU might be right. However unable to deal with the EU she tries to demonise others. Look how on a thread about the Mari explosion she just had to bring in Greece and Grexit to have a go at me.
Sad,,,,what a sad person she is.
Apologist! 
