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[Robin Hood]

TD:

I don’t think this thread will get anywhere until certain people understand what Zionism is, and how it differs from Judaism, and that, therefore, criticism of one is not criticism of the other.

You will have an uphill struggle there Tim!

There are those that see the Israeli’s as their hero’s and believe all the bullsh*t that they are victims of aggression and have the right to self defence, in reality it is THEY that are the aggressors, the occupiers, the oppressors, the Ethnic cleansers ........ and always have been.

The Zionists have a majority of the powerful and influential Americans in debt to them. Not just financially but also politically. If you want to hold on to your job in the US you do not criticise what they call Jews (actually as you say so clearly – Zionist’s) because you are labelled anti-Semitic and, if you run a company/business, it is curtains. It has been this way for decades and their grip tightens. As I know full well, they run the western banking and financial sector almost exclusively as well as the media, including the TV and News channels ..... that is why the MSM is unreliable as a source of accurate/complete information. You need to work it out for yourself and most people are either too lazy or too stupid to do so and just suck up the promulgated image of an Israel under constant threat!

I agree with all the comments you have made. .... you have so obviously 'worked it out'!

[supporttheunderdog]

I have read and listened to much of what Ken had to say - while I think he was incorrect in his analysis and inept in how he expressed himself I do not think he has said anything anti-Semetic. Pro-Palestinian he may be, but remember too (if one believes that sort of thing) according to the bible the Arabs are also supposedly the Children of Shem, if not the children of Abraham through Ishmeal, making them Semitic. If the bible is correct the Arab-Israeli conflict is the longest running brotherly feud going....
the circumstances of the Balfour declaration are quite interesting - highly political at the time -

[Robin Hood]

"Up to this point Jews virtually ran Germany and held many government and civil service appointments."

What? Give me a break! This was the anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda line.

I would trust Freedman because he was part of the establishment and was involved first hand in these events. The Germans welcomed the Jews and they were treated just as if they were Germans until the Germans found out that they had sold them up-the-river in WWI. That is a fact of history ...... you didn't read Freedmans speech!

Freedman ...........and the Germans for the first time realized that they were defeated, they suffered this terrific reparation that was slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted Palestine and they were determined to get it at any cost.

Now, that brings us to another very interesting point. When the Germans realized this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had never been better off in any country in the world than they had been in Germany.

This happened BEFORE the Nazi's came into power or even before they had any influence!

[Tim Drayton]

I am afraid you can't just take the word of one rabid, right-wing nutcase as the gospel truth.

[Robin Hood]

I am afraid you can't just take the word of one rabid, right-wing nutcase as the gospel truth.

You are doing what you accuse others of doing! Where is your evidence that says Freedman was a ' .....rabid, right-wing nutcase'?' He was well informed, had access to the right people and the right documents and was directly involved. I it is all verifiable and documented, it is all historical fact ..... read the speech ..... and don't tell me you have! It is a 1hr 47 minute speech ...... without taking the trouble to check the linked sources or the Q^A's.

How can it be 'Nazi propaganda' if it was before Nazism reared its head.

[Paphitis]

... however, the illegal settlements in the West Bank should stop as well as the siege against Gaza.

Pie in the sky! That just shows that you don't have a clue what Zionism is about and how it works. Get your new Saudi buddies to explain it to you.

Please explain how Zionists work? I need to know.

You all paint Zionists in a negative light, but Zionism and Jewish Lobby groups are just the same as any other self interest lobby group operating in the USA and other countries. One example is the American Hellenic Council.

[Paphitis]

Well then, Falun Gong may deserve their own artificial creation within China. Practitioners of Falun Gong are persecuted.

Thank you. My point exactly. It is ludicrous to suggest that every persecuted group in the world should get its own state, on land that has been ethnically cleansed for the purpose.

Yes you are correct. However, the Jewish People have a special status in light of the Holocaust and the State was only created on land that they are connected to. It is their homeland which they were displaced from.

[Paphitis]

I don’t think this thread will get anywhere until certain people understand what Zionism is, and how it differs from Judaism, and that, therefore, criticism of one is not criticism of the other.

Not all Jews support Zionism. The following shows Jewish people on a pro-Palestine rally in London:



https://www.vice.com/print/kleinfeld-is ... n-2014-138

Not all Greeks support American Hellenic Council.

[Paphitis]

"Up to this point Jews virtually ran Germany and held many government and civil service appointments."

What? Give me a break! This was the anti-Semitic Nazi propaganda line.

What else is new Tim?

He supports the NAZI propaganda line to justify the extermination of 6 million Jews.

I don't take him seriously anymore, including his views on Putin, Assad, and Syria.

[GreekIslandGirl]

.... As much as I believe the Israelis have every right to be where they are, if they had been given that bigger region a little further north - Anatolia - that would make me even happier.

Seems the Jews/Israelis do have a historical region in Anatolia they could consider taking over:

Cappadocia [ - Anatolia - ] appears in the biblical account given in the book of Acts 2:9. The Cappadocians were named as one group hearing the Gospel account from Galileans in their own language on the day of Pentecost shortly after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Acts 2:5 seems to suggest that the Cappadocians in this account were "God-fearing Jews". See Acts of the Apostles.
The region is also mentioned in the Jewish Mishnah, in Ketubot 13:11.

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