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[cypezokyli]

simon, according to this book that stands here in front of me : alexis eiraklidis : kypriako syggousi kai apilysi, 2002
p.44 -55 there were meetings between makarios and harding between oct 55 till feb 56.
according to this proposals:
1. the principle of self-determination would be given to cyprus after 7 years, after which the people of cyprus would choose according to a referendum its political future
2. the parliamanet would be elected according to the proportionate represantation - plythismiaki analogia

just for you, and the zito eoka on top....the wise eoka leadership rejected them...bc as any rationaly person would assume - that was what we did NOT want. instead we decided to go through a "vistorious" struggle where we got no enosis , and no proportional reprasantation.
what more can i say other than : ZHTO I EOKA!!!!!

since WE rejected those proposals, and since our struggle was victorious (not to mention that some want to continue to be so victorious), i would assume that we achieved our targets. or ?
we rejected the proportional represantation, we rejected enosis, so please cut the poetry.

it could be that my conclusions are based on wrong sources.
if my sources are wrong, i would like to listen to yours.

[Simon]

I have absolutely no problems in saying that they were stupid. They should have agreed to it. I do not know what you are trying to achieve by telling me this. I know our leaders have made mistakes and I know GCs were also at fault for certain things. But that does not mean that I am going to give up on justice today for that reason. They rejected proportional representation - today, we won't. I don't know why they rejected this, surely there must be some reason that we're not aware of. But, you can't punish GCs today for past rulers and EOKA's stupidity. Proportionate representation is the least any GC should ask for - whether this means separated or united, it must be fair and proportionate.

[cypezokyli]

what i am trying to say to you, is that the mistakes we did, are going to be present in all future solutions.
the tc veto, was given in 1960, and it will be included in all future proposals.

the second is as i said above : since we rejected it, that is bc we didnot want it ? isnt it?

[Simon]

No, it is because the leaders and EOKA got greedy. The people I believe if given a choice would have definitely accepted this. In a poll, at the time, 94% of Cypriots voted for enosis. The people undoubtdly wanted this. And if you carried out a poll today, a similar amount would also favour proportional representation.

And I'm sorry, but I disagree with you on the veto issue. What other country operates like that. Don't say no country has the history of Cyprus etc. It simply will not work, history has proved this. One side having a veto creates divide, which itself creates resentment and hostility. We cannot live together if 18% can overrule 82%. I will never accept this and I honestly think it would cause major problems.

[Perastikos]

I have recently posted a number of questions which were kindly answered by a number of Greek Cypriots. The most fundemental questions for TC's are as Follows:

1- There are still supporters of Eoka is the Gov. of South Cyprus can a deal really be made with such people, or is there a need for a new generation of politicians to come to the fore?

I don’t agree with Eoka but this is not the main reason of the stupidity of our people.

Only a madman can support Cyprus and Greece unity. There isn’t such an issue.

The people in Cyprus back to those years were more like religion community’s the stupid Greek Christians the stupid Turkish Muslims and the stupid communists.

They was no fanatic with the mind and the logic capabilities of humanity they was prefer to believe in mythological ideals and that ideals was the prefect excuse to make crimes.

At some point all this community’s they wanted to fight England.

And the fight was common between these communities.

At some point the Greece decides to make some trouble in Cyprus by sending a true patriot but also a true stupid man to take the leadership of a revolution team named EOKA (Grivas).

Grivas was a killer of communists in Grecce and after the revolution a killer of communists and Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus.

And the true pure fight of united Cypriots became a fight only for the most stupid religion community the Greek Christians.

And here is the point where the division of Cyprus starts.

2- Do Greek Cypriots still support Enosis and do they regard EOKA fighters as national heroes?

Yes a big number of Greek Cypriots they are supporting this religious staff because of this mass illness with the name Christianism and because the myth of our Greek blood(another big and ridiculous stupidity).

3- If Enosis could be acheived peacefully today would you support it?

No.

My answer is what if we talk before EOKA is yes.

And off course I’m against Makarios who reject a proposition of union with Greece official and another one unofficial. (Both propositions were after EOKA).

We are always looking for mythological ideals and we can’t live in the pure logic of piece.

Now we are in Europe we don’t need a unity with Greece to bring piece and stability.

Papadopoulos want united nation not unity with Greece (because this is impossible). He is a great liar and a paranoid personality who can only do the shipper if the ships stay still in those archeological paranoiac ideals. The communists (AKEL) and the rest (EDEK) are sculptors and stupids.

4- If Cyprus was reunited is there ever a chance either today or in the future that rival nationalist tendancies would cause a breakdown in law and order?

Einstein say about this issue I’m sure about two things

for the infinity of the universe and

for the infinity of stupidity

And I’m not sure about the first one.

p.s: I’m not a Christian I’m not a Muslim I’m not a communist I’m not atheist I’m just an Greek Cypriot observer.

[Perastikos]

what i am trying to say to you, is that the mistakes we did,
are going to be present in all future solutions.
the tc veto, was given in 1960, and it will be included
in all future proposals.

the second is as i said above : since we rejected it, that is bc we didnot want it ? isnt it?

Some people prefer the division. Maybe for them is better.

Now after the two zone community federation the options we have are:

a) A worse two zone community federation. Because we have nothing to deal with.

b) A confederation. A legal division of two separate communities.

c) A nightmare no solution situation.

As long as we can’t realize our part of responsibility any fart ideal will flight from one stupid mind to another.

The think about the veto you are talking about is stupid because no
two zone community federation can be established with out the ability of the one site to disagree.

Look at the European community even we (500 000 population) have the ability to make veto.

So what are you talking about?

the 0.0000000001% can make veto and the 18% can't?

This thinks are coming from very stupid and ill minds.

Where is that justice you are looking for? I can only laugh from nationalist farts.

[Simon]

Perastikos for a start I think you are a bit of a muppet

You don't really make sense do you, it might be because of your poor grammer

At some point the Greece decides to make some trouble in Cyprus by sending a true patriot but also a true stupid man to take the leadership of a revolution team named EOKA (Grivas).

This is absolute crap. The Greek Cypriots wanted enosis right from the beginning, before Grivas went to Cyprus, so to make out ALL the trouble started when Greece sent one man, Grivas to Cyprus is rubbish.

Only a madman can support Cyprus and Greece unity.

3- If Enosis could be acheived peacefully today would you support it?


No.

My answer is what if we talk before EOKA is yes.

And then also say:

And off course I’m against Makarios who reject a proposition of union with Greece official and another one unofficial

So what is it then? Are you saying that would would want enosis (even though saying that only a madman would want it), but because EOKA happened, now you wouldn't? You always give up this easy?

Papadopoulos want united nation not unity with Greece (because this is impossible). He is a great liar

So if he is a great liar, how do you know what he really wants? Are you his dad?

Now we are in Europe we don’t need a unity with Greece to bring piece and stability.

It is not about peace and stability for me, it is about Greek Cypriots, FOR ONCE, being able to vote to choose their political future, like any other country can. For example, Gibraltar had such a vote, about whether to stay British or become Spanish.

Yes a big number of Greek Cypriots they are supporting this religious staff because of this mass illness with the name Christianism and because the myth of our Greek blood(another big and ridiculous stupidity).

You may see Christianity as an illness, but that is because you are maybe a bit lost. You can't balme Christianity for any of this, and I would be angry if I thought that you wasn't just a rambling idiot. Christianity does nothing but promote peace and love. So how you can blame this is beyond me.

Look at the European community even we (500 000 population) have the ability to make veto.

So what are you talking about?

the 0.0000000001% can make veto and the 18% can't?

I assume that when you said this you were referring to me. So let me make my position clear. I do not support any BBF. What I support is one of the following:

1) Cyprus united with 1 person, 1 vote and that is it. All GCs can return to their homes if they want to etc.

2) If this is not possible, then a 82/18 split. This will then mean the Greek Cypriot south can choose its political future, with NO interference.

I do not support a BBF because it is inevitable, that with such a thing, the 18% minority can hold a veto over the 82% majority.

Please please do not give the excuse of the European Community. It is a totally different thing and if you can't see how then you really have not got a clue.

Tell me one thing Perastikos, why don't Turkey negotiate with the 20% (bigger minority than TCs) Kurdish minority in Turkey, to give them at least some autonomy. Turkey demand it in Cyprus, but they can't give it can they?

[fideld]

History is there and nobody can change. EOKA people and all GC who lived at that time voted for unity with Greece. Nobody can deny our origin. (Can anybody deny the origin of TC?).
I have learned one thing all these years: People who do not respect their history, have no future. Yes we are Greeks, and our race made many mistakes. Do not blame EOKA, as they were (always there are exceptions) motivated ONLY by Parthenon. If this still does not say anything to you Perastikos, I guess you are "perastikos" from history books.
Nobody speaks about unity with Greece today, but this does not mean that we stopped to be and feel Greek. Just go back at the euro cup win of Greece, I think that almost everybody was in the streets. This is natural and keep it always in mind.
The solution that we seek, us who fight to remain original GC, is the one that makes sure we keep our history alive. And our history is Greek or related to our Greek nation,and is not negotiable. That is the reason we voted No even if I and many others always want to go back home. But I want my home to be FREE first, otherwise I would rather concentrate in not diluting the remaining of our Greek cupriot pride, part of it created by the heroes o EOKA.

[Perastikos]

I can farting all day like you if I have nothing to say.

We have only the need to belong somewhere in history.

Our origin is first of all humans.

The only think connect the people of today with agent Greece is the language.

We are a mix of over 20 origins.

We have only the sociological need to belong somewhere in history to excuse our stupidity.

Like the TC.

Yes TC are not Turkish by the meaning of the nationalistic stupid like you.

Scientifically researches show what TC and GC have identical dna.

Eoka was the main reason of the Cyprus problem.

Maybe you are so religious stupid nationalist what you can realize the reality of the 96%.

And the TC wanted the union but the EOKA stupidity breaks the human relations between the people.

Maybe you have the need to be something(it’s the main problem of your stupidity) but how you can support this foolishness?

You are Geek because you say sow.

You are Geek because of what?

Of you pure blood?

Of you pure Greek history?

Of your pure greek language?

Of your pure greek religion?

You are just a fart of the history nothing more nothing less.

[Simon]

OK, can you provide proof for:

We are a mix of over 20 origins.

We may have had many, many different conquerors, but that doesn't mean we actually originate from every one of them.

The only think connect the people of today with agent Greece is the language.

Simply not true.

Scientifically researches show what TC and GC have identical dna

I know we were similar, but identical? Can you prove that?

Maybe you are so religious stupid nationalist what you can realize the reality of the 96%.

96% of what? Maybe your just a prat who doesn't make sense when he writes.

I can farting all day like you if I have nothing to say.

You seem to like the word farting a lot, as you use it all the time. However, it is a shame that you do not use the word in its proper context and the above setence does not make sense.