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[Simon]

The only way you wouldn't be a foreigner is if it were Greek dominated.

WRONG! We would be foreigners as the state is called Turkish, dominated by Turks. If the state was Cypriot with no ethnic divide then we wouldn't be foreigners.

Look at the alternative, what if I said to you, Turks can live in Cyprus, but the state is called the Greek Republic of Cyprus, with a flag similar to Greece, wouldn't you then feel like a foreigner? Would you accept this? I actually have more right to say this because Cyprus is dominated by a Greek population, whether you like it or not. Compound that with the fact that you (I presume as you have not mentioned it) wouldn't allow GCs to return home. How the hell do you expect GCs to accept this?

Please explain to me how the TRNC is oppressive?

1) Because it is illegal.

2) Because ethnic cleansing was carried out to establish the state.

3) It stops GCs returning to their homes in a country called the Republic of Cyprus and not the TURKISH Republic. NO PART OF CYPRUS IS TURKISH!

There are other reasons but I think that is enough.

By the way, desperate? Desperate for what?

[Pasha]

If enosis was actually a success, then Turkish Cypriots would have to live in a Greek republic, but that's okay because it suits you.

If the state was Cypriot with no ethnic divide then we wouldn't be foreigners.

That's one thing GC's will not agree to. In order for any advances in negotiations with the GC government right now is for Cyprus to be "Greek". The majority simply does not want to share power.

P.S.

Desperate to make a point; you know this because people resort to swearing when they don't get their own way.

[Simon]

If enosis was actually a success, then Turkish Cypriots would have to live in a Greek republic, but that's okay because it suits you.

We are not talking about enosis now are we? I was talking about Greeks returning to the TRNC as unworkable. You try to twist the coversation because you have nothing to say. I notice you did not respond to the actual point. By they way, I have said many times before, I do would happily accept a TRNC - if it retreated to 18% of the island.

In order for any advances in negotiations with the GC government right now is for Cyprus to be "Greek". The majority simply does not want to share power.

Has Papa said this? I don't think so. Just more propoganda to give you an excuse to keep your illegal puppet state. All I want is proportionality. If you want power-sharing fine, but don't expect 40, 50% etc of seats in any future parliament when your legal population is only 18%. This is disproportionate, unfair and will become unworkable. The same goes if you want your own state. If you accept proportional power-sharing, I have no problem.

Alternatively, we could just have one person, one vote. Because in any event, this will lead to a proportionally represented parliament/government.

Desperate to make a point; you know this because people resort to swearing when they don't get their own way.

I think you'll find that generally, this certainly is not the case.

[fideld]

If enosis was actually a success, then Turkish Cypriots would have to live in a Greek republic, but that's okay because it suits you.

Enosis is dead, unfortunately.
If enosis succeeded you would live as a minority in a greek country. Where is the non logocal issue here?
Please stop giving us all teh crap about coming to the occupied part of the RoC. We have an occupation here, that keeps TC outside reality and europe ( and it seems that with the veto you will not have the chance) and us GC ( and you TC) away from our homes. 30 years of political isolation due to the turkish policy have not teached you a lesson? You keep talking about enosis. This issue is not valid anymore. If we GC are happy or not this is our problem. Can you just move on? Can you realise that the only way to be united is through one Republic which already exists, and you are welcome to be a part but not as 50-50 on everything as this will never be accepted by the majority, and it is reasonable?Would Turkey accept a new state 50-50 with the Kurds who are a minority ( that try to survive in the heart of a country that wants to enter the EU)?

[Viewpoint]

Does Turkey have an agreement with the Kurds to form a partnership similar to the 1960 agreements you hold onto so dearly today, where was this outlook in the 1960s when you had the chance to make it work, is it a matter of too little to late?

[fideld]

does Turkey have an agreement with GC to hold 40% of the island? I have not seen such agreement...

[Simon]

Does Turkey have an agreement with the Kurds to form a partnership similar to the 1960 agreements you hold onto so dearly today

No. But lets consider why. O Yes, that's it. Because you would prefer to kill them and suppress them rather than negotiate an agreement. Your above argument is hardly logical is it. All it shows is that you are not prepared to give a sizeable minority in Turkey justice. But yet you demand power-sharing in Cyprus? I see a clear case of hypocrisy here.