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[Pasha]

What you say doesn't convince me to discard what I've seen/heard first hand.

In that case, if TCs do not want to re-unite, then an 82/18 split sounds satisfactory to me, and there is no reason why it shouldn't to TCs either.

What's the point? You'll only displace more people eliminating the whole point of your argument. People will lose their homes etc etc, ad infinitum.........

[fideld]

Viewpoint leave our nationalism aside. We all know whhich nation is more fanatic. Feeling Greek is not bad, at least for us. here is nothing that can change this.
Simon says that a proportion of 82/18 must be respected. It is not for the time being as a third country holds 40% of our country (which consists of 82% Greeks and 18% Turks). If this will not change and if you can not realise that 18% cannot rule the 82%, but both should find a solution always keeping their nationality alive (Greeks and Turks)then we are stuck
Regarding Pasha, you should not be surprised if people have stickers saying that Cyprus is Greek. Have you ever analysed why they say it? Have you thought that this is a majority of the cypriot citizens that are of Greek nation? Have you read our history? Do you think that by posting here arguments that we should forget where we come from, something will change or do you have the secret hope that Greek cypriots will suddenly become cypriots and turkish cypriots, just cypriots and we will happily leave ever after??
And at the end, why you have the turkish flag attached in your posts? Because you are proud to be turk my friend.Can this change? No. This is your right to feel as you like. THE SAME I FEEL, proud to be Greek. NObody can change this.
EOKA was a fight for freedom and for uniting with Greece. The reasons that this failed is "made in England". Do not blame the heroes, they fought for something very original 50 years ago. Parthenon.

[Pasha]

Regarding Pasha, you should not be surprised if people have stickers saying that Cyprus is Greek. Have you ever analysed why they say it? Have you thought that this is a majority of the cypriot citizens that are of Greek nation? Have you read our history? Do you think that by posting here arguments that we should forget where we come from, something will change or do you have the secret hope that Greek cypriots will suddenly become cypriots and turkish cypriots, just cypriots and we will happily leave ever after??
And at the end, why you have the turkish flag attached in your posts? Because you are proud to be turk my friend.Can this change? No. This is your right to feel as you like. THE SAME I FEEL, proud to be Greek. NObody can change this.
EOKA was a fight for freedom and for uniting with Greece. The reasons that this failed is "made in England". Do not blame the heroes, they fought for something very original 50 years ago. Parthenon.

Why shouldn't I be surprised ? You would kick up a huge stink if you saw Turkish ones. Where have I ever said we forget where we come from? I think you should carefully consider your argument before taking it up with me, as you obviously have not read my own history. Turks were documented rulers of Cyprus for three hundred years so I fail to see what your point is. What makes you think you can erase history and rewrite it as you like, there has never been a Greek Cypriot nation.

And about the flag, the reason I have it there is because my own flag, of the TRNC, is not available. Yes I will admit I am proud of what I am, as should everybody. England was not the reason for the death of enosis, it was the Turkish operation that ended that dream (within their rights).

[Viewpoint]

Im nıt trying to change you fideld you can be as Greek as you want as long as you do not try to impose it on me or TCs. You have to move into 2006 and comes to terms with the fact that there is now a neew state of play we are 2 equal communities as the Annanplan envisaged, the sooner you realize this and comprehend that you will be sharing Cyprus with us not ruling us and trying to turn Cyprus into a greek state run purely by GCs.

[fideld]

Thank you for realising that there was never a greek cypriot nation, as there is only one nation for us: The GREEK nation.
Also it is good that you name the turks rulers, because they were just rulers, of a greek island. They have not managed to eliminate the greek history and that is why today we are still greeks. We have suffered from many rulers, and are still suffering from the turks that hold 40% of our country, which is also your country.
Coming to the flag, you can be proud of what you are but your flag will always be unofficial.
The cyprus need for uniting with Greece was ended by the english tricks. Now if you feel that you are happy because Cyprus is not a part of Greece (where the turkish cypriots could have all the rights of a european country) and you are happy because for 30+ years you leave in a place under occupation which nobody except mama-turkey recognizes, you are free to do so.
The last phrase (within their rights) made me laugh, as it reminded me of the invasion to 40% of the island, , the armenians, the curds ( by the way, why does Turkey dont let the curds have their own country? Because they are a minority maybe?)

[cypezokyli]

nations as they exist today, are just creations, which caused a lot of blood and human suffering, and we still didnot learn from it...
the ottomans were brutal at times as rulers, but they didnot have a target to eliminate the greek history.

cyprus need to unite with greece was not ended only by english tricks

dont u think they have some good reasons of being happy of not uniting with greece?

[Pasha]

Now if you feel that you are happy because Cyprus is not a part of Greece (where the turkish cypriots could have all the rights of a european country) and you are happy because for 30+ years you leave in a place under occupation which nobody except mama-turkey recognizes, you are free to do so.

Yeah, right. The only nation for Greek Cypriots is the Greek one..

People in Greece don't even accept Greek Cypriots because they think you guys aren't "pure blood".

There is such a degree of fanatic nationalism within many Greek people that the enosis dream to some is still very much alive (although they are extremely deluded)

Yes I am happy that Cyprus is not a part of Greece, and I personally do not want Turkey to join the EU so I couldn't care less about EU benefits. After all, its all a big blackmail to attempt to manipulate Turkey and the Cyprus situation.

So yeah, thanks. I'm free to do what I like.

[kalamaras74]

People in Greece don't even accept Greek Cypriots because they think you guys aren't "pure blood".

Never heard that before. People in Greece see Cypriots as same family, different nation.

Being Greek is not about blood. It is a religious and linguistic affiliation.

Blonde Turks, swarthy Turks, Central Asian Turks. They are all Turks because they speak Turkish and identify themselves as such. Same with Greeks. You are who you say you are.

If you want to get racial, Turkish Cypriots are Greek then.

[fideld]

Yeah, right. The only nation for Greek Cypriots is the Greek one..
People in Greece don't even accept Greek Cypriots because they think you guys aren't "pure blood".

Sometime you have to realise that this is the case, and you have to accept it. People in Greece feel Greek and love greek cypriots. What you say is what you want to believe but is not true. We will always have the same national celebrations, because we are greeks. Plain and simple.

There is such a degree of fanatic nationalism within many Greek people that the enosis dream to some is still very much alive (although they are extremely deluded)

This is not your problem. We do not need the enosis to feel Greek, we feel greek anyway, as citizens of the semi-occupied by the turks RoC.

Yes I am happy that Cyprus is not a part of Greece, and I personally do not want Turkey to join the EU so I couldn't care less about EU benefits. After all, its all a big blackmail to attempt to manipulate Turkey and the Cyprus situation.

I am not happy that Cyprus is not a part of Greece but this is finished now. Regarding EU and Turkey I am glad that you understand that you do not fit there.

So yeah, thanks. I'm free to do what I like

Of course. Me too.

[Pasha]

If you want to get racial, Turkish Cypriots are Greek then.

And Greek Cypriots are Turkish, Italian.... etc...