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the only way to get your land back is through war

It was a question, not an answer. What do you answer to this question? Is there any peaceful way that GCs can recover the land that was illegally stolen from them in 1974? If there is then please tell us.

To take measures that would show that GCs are genuine in their desire to share the island and sit down and negotiate in good faith flexible compromised solution, this goes for both sides but someone has to take the first step forward. If your leadership were genuine and took the first step forward i am certain the TCs will take two. The current negativity coming from the south just adds to TC concerns about uniting with GCs who sole aim is to claim and control all of Cyprus.

[Simon]

As usual, pathetic responses.

great examples!!!
if i may, i will add another one.
kosovo used to have an autonomy inside yougoslavia. no rial riots happened. then the clever, or allow me, the "democrat" milosevic comes along and decides that the albanians shouldnot enjoy that privilage any more. thats what democacy dictates isnt it?
2006 the partition of kosovo is aboud to realise. the best the serbs can achieve, is an even greater autonomy than they one the kosovars had before. great strategy!!! and all in the name of nationalism... excuse me democracy...
what do you thing the serbians would have done if they could turn the watch back?

and all that, doesnot assume, the humanitarian costs on both sides

Completely different to what I was saying. I was talking about a country voting. You are talking about the doings of a dictator.

havent you noticed?
its because of people like you that we have partition. they also wanted enosis, remember

I don't think so. I was happy with the 1960 compromise. I only demand enosis today because TCs demand partition of almost 40% of the island, when their legal population makes up only 18%. Fools like you may give more and more, BUT I WILL NOT NEGOTIATE WITH PROPORTIONALITY AND FAIRNESS.

he will never get over it.

WHAT?, democracy, proportionality, fairness, human rights, justice? No your right. I won't. Cowards like you might. But I won't.

[Piratis]

To take measures that would show that GCs are genuine in their desire to share the island and sit down and negotiate in good faith flexible compromised solution, this goes for both sides but someone has to take the first step forward. If your leadership were genuine and took the first step forward i am certain the TCs will take two. The current negativity coming from the south just adds to TC concerns about uniting with GCs who sole aim is to claim and control all of Cyprus.

We were negotiating in good faith for 30 years. At no point you accepted that all of our refugees can return to their homes.

[Viewpoint]

Simon you should honestly ask yourself why we demand BBF and not just reintergrating into the "RoC".

In 1960 we agreed for the compromise of RoC. With BBF you get more than what you got from RoC.

However thats not enough for you, since what you demand has nothing to do with BBF (which we accepted), but is a disguised partition which would give you A LOT more (on our expense) than what you had with RoC and what you would get with BBF.

Therefore you demand the maximum you believe you can get and you will keep demanding it until you realized it is not possible (like we did with the case of enosis).

Dress it how you will the fact is that TCs do not want to be ruled purely by GCs in their own country, if the political power sharing could be solved the rest would follow as most people are flexible on other issues. The TCs feel intimidated by the GCs and question every move they make or say in a negative light. History coupled with current developments to ocntinue to add to this mindset of TCs and the GC administration appear to add fuel to the fire, maybe its a policy they wish to encourage as they appear to be doing a great job.

Piratis dont you ever question your own leaders as why they ar enot doing anything towards buiding trust or coming up with ideas proposals that will take us forward???

[cypezokyli]

Completely different to what I was saying. I was talking about a country voting. You are talking about the doings of a dictator.

if you believe u can learn from fox-hunting than from kosovo, then i am not surprised by your analysis of things

I don't think so. I was happy with the 1960 compromise. I only demand enosis today because TCs demand partition of almost 40% of the island, when their legal population makes up only 18%. Fools like you may give more and more, BUT I WILL NOT NEGOTIATE WITH PROPORTIONALITY AND FAIRNESS.

and a continuation of the fox-hunting analysis proceeds to argue that:

. I was happy with the 1960 compromise

which was not proportional, if u remember...or know...
but still

I WILL NOT NEGOTIATE WITH PROPORTIONALITY

let me not draw a conclusion....

Quote:
he will never get over it.


WHAT?, democracy, proportionality, fairness, human rights, justice? No your right. I won't. Cowards like you might. But I won't.

have you heard of goebbels??

let my remind you what that sentence was referring to:
cypezokyli wrote:

pasha wrote:
Quote:

Simon, enosis is dead and Cyprus will never join Greece.

Get over it ! Rolling Eyes

he will never get over it. the only reason

and you transform into another e-brave comment
from a point of view it is really rational, since e-bravism is by defination safe.

[Piratis]

Dress it how you will the fact is that TCs do not want to be ruled purely by GCs in their own country, if the political power sharing could be solved the rest would follow as most people are flexible on other issues.

TCs just like GCs will be rules by Cypriots which will be TCs and GCs in a proportionate ratio.

When did we asked that Cyprus should be ruled purely by GCs??? 82% will be GCs and 18% will be TCs (according to population ratio). Also TCs will (on top of that) have veto in specific issues of great importance.

Thats a Cyprus ruled purely by GCs for you? No thats a Cyprus ruled by Cypriots, and if you insist on the GC/TC thing, then a Cyprus ruled 82% by GCs and 18% by TCs.

[Simon]

TCs just like GCs will be rules by Cypriots which will be TCs and GCs in a proportionate ratio.

When did we asked that Cyprus should be ruled purely by GCs??? 82% will be GCs and 18% will be TCs (according to population ratio). Also TCs will (on top of that) have veto in specific issues of great importance.

Thats a Cyprus ruled purely by GCs for you? No thats a Cyprus ruled by Cypriots, and if you insist on the GC/TC thing, then a Cyprus ruled 82% by GCs and 18% by TCs.

All this I totally agree with.

if you believe u can learn from fox-hunting than from kosovo, then i am not surprised by your analysis of things

I was talking about voting. You are rambling about something different. Is that so hard for you to see?

which was not proportional, if u remember...or know...

I know if wasn't completely proportional, but it was still fairer than what TCs are demanding today. My comments still stand. I was satisfied with the 1960 Agreements. Now they seem to be dead, and I demand proportionality.

have you heard of goebbels??

Have you heard of a weasel?

[Viewpoint]

To take measures that would show that GCs are genuine in their desire to share the island and sit down and negotiate in good faith flexible compromised solution, this goes for both sides but someone has to take the first step forward. If your leadership were genuine and took the first step forward i am certain the TCs will take two. The current negativity coming from the south just adds to TC concerns about uniting with GCs who sole aim is to claim and control all of Cyprus.

We were negotiating in good faith for 30 years. At no point you accepted that all of our refugees can return to their homes.

Come on Piratis you hid behind Denktas for 30 years only in the last 3 years has your mask dropped for the world to see who really wants a solution. Please try to be honest here and not hide behind your nationalistic pride.

[Pasha]

When did we asked that Cyprus should be ruled purely by GCs??? 82% will be GCs and 18% will be TCs (according to population ratio). Also TCs will (on top of that) have veto in specific issues of great importance.

Thats a Cyprus ruled purely by GCs for you? No thats a Cyprus ruled by Cypriots, and if you insist on the GC/TC thing, then a Cyprus ruled 82% by GCs and 18% by TCs.

That was the original 1960 plan and it didn't go very far did it ? There are too many GC's that believe Cyprus is a "Greek Island" and because of this they will always believe they have the right to ownership over the entire island. Even when I was on holiday in the south for part of the time I was in Cyprus, I had the pleasant surprise of coming across a sticker in a car window saying "Cyprus is Greek and will stay Greek!" imposed on top of a flag of Greece.

What you say doesn't convince me to discard what I've seen/heard first hand.

[Simon]

What you say doesn't convince me to discard what I've seen/heard first hand.

In that case, if TCs do not want to re-unite, then an 82/18 split sounds satisfactory to me, and there is no reason why it shouldn't to TCs either.