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[Piratis]

Then there are is also a lot of land that has been Greek for most part of the history and now is part of Turkey. Independence was the compromise between union with Greece (what GCs wanted) and partition (what TCs wanted). The best is to stick with this compromise.

Personally I wouldn't like Cyprus to be part of Greece anyways. There was a point to this when union with Greece meant liberation. Today this is not the case.

[Strahd]

It is over now... Cyprus is and will remain an independent Euroopean state because enosis took place when Cyprus joined the EU and from that point the Hellinism of Cyprus is protected and promoted by the European principles...

[Greek goddess]

[quote="serkan"]I have recently posted a number of questions which were kindly answered by a number of Greek Cypriots. The most fundemental questions for TC's are as Follows:

1- There are still supporters of Eoka is the Gov. of South Cyprus can a deal really be made with such people, or is there a need for a new generation of politicians to come to the fore?

2- Do Greek Cypriots still support Enosis and do they regard EOKA fighters as national heroes?

3- If Enosis could be acheived peacefully today would you support it?

4- If Cyprus was reunited is there ever a chance either today or in the future that rival nationalist tendancies would cause a breakdown in law and order?[/quote]

Are you still there The majority of the Greeks can’t even defined what the is ENOSIS

[Main_Source]

There are still supporters of Eoka is the Gov. of South Cyprus

The more you say stupid terms like 'Gov. of South Cyprus'...the more people will be misconceived about what is really going on in Cyprus.

[Simon]

It is over now... Cyprus is and will remain an independent Euroopean state because enosis took place when Cyprus joined the EU and from that point the Hellinism of Cyprus is protected and promoted by the European principles...

Becoming a part of the EU was not enosis in my eyes. Not even close. It is only over when you give up. I personally will not give up on Cyprus' democratic right to choose its future. I will not accept Britain and the USA telling Cyprus what it should do and when. That is the problem, people think Cyprus is an independent state, BUT IN REALITY IT ISN'T and it never has been.

Piratis, yes what you say is true. But in Cyprus there is one difference. The Greeks still dominate the population here. And yet Turkey still tries to steal more land here, and with the Imia crisis, and the territorial disputes in the Aegean etc. They try to take more and more Greek land. Cyprus however is still Greek in essence and character, we make up 82% of the population, so we have a right to choose our future, regardless of the minority. Every country has minorities, but do you know any other country where the minority rules the majority. Because in Cyprus, this has been happening.

[cypezokyli]

just out of curiosity do you want to unite the whole cyprus with greece, or just the part we have left after some clever gang decide to unite as with greece ?

[sadik]

It is over now... Cyprus is and will remain an independent Euroopean state because enosis took place when Cyprus joined the EU and from that point the Hellinism of Cyprus is protected and promoted by the European principles...

Becoming a part of the EU was not enosis in my eyes. Not even close. It is only over when you give up. I personally will not give up on Cyprus' democratic right to choose its future. I will not accept Britain and the USA telling Cyprus what it should do and when. That is the problem, people think Cyprus is an independent state, BUT IN REALITY IT ISN'T and it never has been.

Piratis, yes what you say is true. But in Cyprus there is one difference. The Greeks still dominate the population here. And yet Turkey still tries to steal more land here, and with the Imia crisis, and the territorial disputes in the Aegean etc. They try to take more and more Greek land. Cyprus however is still Greek in essence and character, we make up 82% of the population, so we have a right to choose our future, regardless of the minority. Every country has minorities, but do you know any other country where the minority rules the majority. Because in Cyprus, this has been happening.

Simon, being a numerical majority does not mean that you can do everything that you want. For certain things, you need more than a majority. Insisting on certain issues that a part of the society feels very strongly and cannot accept will clearly lead to division, disobedience and violence. Considering the consequences, seeking consensus on these kinds of vital issues is in the best interest of the country.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

I may be wrong but I cannot find any evidence that Cyprus was ruled by Greeks or Greece in the past, but at least until the 1870's was ruled by the Ottoman Empire. I hasten to add that I do not equate Ptolemy or the Byzantines, in general, as being Greek.

[cypezokyli]

then who put this idea in our heads seutoniuspaulinus?
i dont know how u define "ruled" but u cannot deny the close connection, cultural and linguistic, of cyprus with mainland greece in the bc times.
byzantium is an empire claimed by the greeks as well. if you argue that they were not greeks then we need a definition of the "greeks" if by greek u mean athens of perikles or socrates...then you are right.
in any case, history, is no reason for us not to cooperate or us being stuck on targets that have brought the division to this island.

[Simon]

Simon, being a numerical majority does not mean that you can do everything that you want. For certain things, you need more than a majority. Insisting on certain issues that a part of the society feels very strongly and cannot accept will clearly lead to division, disobedience and violence. Considering the consequences, seeking consensus on these kinds of vital issues is in the best interest of the country.

So are you saying that if 82% of a nations population vote for something, it should not be given if it offends the other 18%? If this is the case, then what the hell is the whole point of democracy? I am asking for the people of Cyprus to decide by a majority. TCs seem to think it is the minorities that can do whatever they want, including taking 40% of the land and calling it their own, illegally.

I hasten to add that I do not equate Ptolemy or the Byzantines, in general, as being Greek.

You may not, but may I hasten to add that many historians do and they have very good reason to aswell. I'm not going to give you a history lesson and tell you why.