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[Piratis]

The people from Vroisha have acknowledged that they will never be able to return to their homes, what they now want is a respectful recognition of what took place and a peacful resolution. i think that greek cypriots deserve the same but they must acknowledge as their TC counterparts have done that they may have to sacrifice their intent to regain their homes in order to reach a peaceful and lasting resolution in Cyprus.

You are kidding right? You stole in the north twice as much as you left behind and you expect from us to just gift it to you?

If you want peace here is another idea: Instead of ethnically cleansing the GCs, lets ethnically cleanse the TCs from Cyprus. Cyprus will have peace in that way also. What do you think? Or maybe the ethnic cleansing for peace shit is ok for you only when the ones that are ethnically cleansed are the GCs?

[ausbroker]

OK PEOPLE THERE IS ONE MAIN PROBLEM IN CYPRUS
AND THAT IS THE GC AND THE TC
I ASK EVERYONE WHAT THE FUCK HAS TURKEY AND GREECE DONE
FOR US?
THE SOONER WE ALL AGREE WE ARE CYPRIOT. NOT "GREEK CYPRIOT"
OR "TURKISH CYPRIOT" THE SOONER WE COULD MOVE ON.

WE NEED TO GET THEM OUT OF OUR COUNTRY, AND SEND THEM BACK TO HELL WHERE THEY CAME FROM.

IN AUSTRALIA WHERE I CURRENTLY LIVE I MEET ALOT OF GREEKS TURKS AND CYPRIOTS

THE GREEKS TELL ME IM NOT GREEK IM CYPRIOT, AND TEND NOT TO LIKE ME

THE TURKS TELL ME IM NOT TURKISH AND TEND NOT TO LIKE ME

BUT WHEN I MEET A CYPRIOT HE/SHE ALWAYS ASKS GREEK,OR TURKISH
AND I REPLY "just cypriot"

[serkan]

so Piratis you think that Turks should be ethnically cleansed from Cyprus. Thats extremely mature, your racism never fails to astound me. But i must add that i have many Greek Cypriot friends and equantances who do not think like you, that gives me comfort and hope for the future.

[serkan]

ausbroker, i share your hope that we can just 'move on' but your call to expunge Turkish and Greek identity from Cyprus is not realistic for a number of reasons'
1 - there is not a religion called Cypriot
2 - there is not a language called Cypriot
3 - there is not a shared Cypriot historical experiance since 1571
This does not mean that Turks and Greeks cannot live side by side peacfully and for the mutual benefit of both community's. Both communities have alot to offer each other and their are many similarities also between the Turks and Greeks of Cyprus which are not apparent in our mainland counterparts. We are not the same but that dosn't mean that we should not embrace each others differances and celebrate our simmilarities.

[Piratis]

Serkan, I knew what your answer would be. This is why I already said:

Or maybe the ethnic cleansing for peace shit is ok for you only when the ones that are ethnically cleansed are the GCs?

You are the racist. You are the one who supports that ethnic cleansing is the only way to "solve" the problem. I merely said that if this is indeed the case, then why should the GCs be the ones that will be ethnically cleansed and not the TCs?

BUT WHEN I MEET A CYPRIOT HE/SHE ALWAYS ASKS GREEK,OR TURKISH
AND I REPLY "just cypriot"

What if your property would double if you said Turkish (or Greek) Cypriot? Would you be able to resist and still say "just Cypriot"?

THE problem in Cyprus, is that instead of having equal citizens regardless of their race, religion, language etc, like is the case in Australia and all democratic countries, we have TCs and GCs in a never ending straggle of who will gain more on the loss of the other.

Today the TCs that have the Turkish power behind them are trying to screw GCs out of thier land and human rights, and inevitably at some point this will be reversed and this circle of conflict and blood will never end.

The only solution is if in Cyprus we have a truly democratic system, without racial or other discrimination. When you have nothing to gain by emphasizing your Greek or Turkish origin because we will all be equal anyways, only then we will have "just cypriots" and peace.

[ausbroker]

SERKAN
IT is realistic for a number of ways.
take for example australia or the u.s
they have greek communities,turkish,indian,chinese and whatever else
you can imagine. in australia they say there australian and in america they are american regadless of there origin. We are all cypriot. we love our country to the death. so i dont see why cypriots with a turkish background,
cant live in the same street as someone with a greek backround. in the end of the day, what happens in cyprus will affect you,not what would happen in greece or turkey.... do you understand?

its a concept called multiculturalism, which means that you by living in cyprus, you are cypriot, it dosnt make a difference if you go to the mosk on friday or church on sunday
do you understand what im saying?

[ausbroker]

1 - there is not a religion called Cypriot
or an australian or american religion
2 - there is not a language called Cypriot
or australian or american we speak english:)
3 - there is not a shared Cypriot historical experiance since 1571
australias history started in 1901 so i dont see the point

im just comparing cyprus to these countrys to show you it can work

btw piratis good point

[serkan]

Ausbroker i am fully aware of the concept of multiculturalism and have experianced this myself having been born and brought up in London. I would like to draw your attention to a number of points - at present multiculturalism is not possible in Cyprus because their are on;y two predominant cultures therfore we have duoculturalism which is a much more complex subject. I think the recent race riots in Australia and the racial segregation which was highlighted in the aftermath of hurricane Katrina defies your point regarding multiculturalism.

The potential for violance is ever present and this has been illustrated particularly in America on many occasions. Multiculturalism is a good concept but in practice social and economic integration of minority groups isn't as clear cut as your suggesting.

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1 - there is not a religion called Cypriot
or an australian or american religion
2 - there is not a language called Cypriot
or australian or american we speak english:)
3 - there is not a shared Cypriot historical experiance since 1571
australias history started in 1901 so i dont see the point

im just comparing cyprus to these countrys to show you it can work
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1. The point I was making in regards to religion was intended to highlight that far from being a single representaion of Cypriot consiousness, religion also takes on ethnic conotations. Greek Orthodoxy is somthing that is practiced predominantly by greeks thus in the rise of nationalism in Greece the Aegean Islands and Cyprus Greek Orthodoxy was a representation of pan-helenism. Orthodox Sunni Islam was further developed by the Ottoman hierarchy to establish the Sultans authority over his empire as opposed to hetrodox Sufi brotherhoods, Therfore Orthodox Sunni'ism is intertwined with an Ottoman legacy which later developed into Sunni Secular doctrine of the Turkish Republic. This is the Islam which Turkish Cypriots follow today and is bound to have nationalist connotations because of the environment in which it was developed. I do not think that religion carries the same dynamics in Australian multiculturalism.

2. I do not think that you quite understand the point that I am making, there are many differant ethnic groups in Aus. and US. but they are all expected to speak English. This is also not present in a duoculturist society were their are two predominant languages.

3. The point i was making in regards to historical experiance is as follows: since 1571 until the early 20th Century Turks and Greeks lived almost entirely in isolation of each other, this was due to the Ottoman policy of the Millet system innitially and was followed by Britains continuation to use such a policy which has commonly been described as divide and rule. The division of TC and GC is a long and intricate one which goes back centuries in Cyprus many peole do not appreciate this.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND

[fideld]

ausbroker,
you are not the one to change history. Greek cypriots are of Greek nationality and Turkish cypriot are of Turkish nationality.
Whatever you say, this will NEVER changewhether you like it or I like it, or not.
Do not forget the people's will at 1950 which voted for uniting Cyprus with Greece (including TC at 96%).
If that happened it would end all problems for both GC and TC, but the English had other plans...