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[growuptcs]

Serkan, should we also pay your property taxes as well, after you get your 2 states?

[growuptcs]

Serkan, should we also pay your property taxes as well, after you get your 2 states?

[pantheman]

OK Peratis and serkan, just hold it right there, this stuff has been repeated many times on this forum under different headings. Obviously its the same argument over and over.

May I just add a small point without getting involved too much :

1. Lets just forget the Greece/Turkey seperation that happened hundreds of years ago (just for the moment)

2. Lets just put aside for the moment, whos fault it was for the start of the cyprus conflict.

3. Lets not blame the world for conspiring against the GCs for the moment too.

4. The bottom line the GCs are not out to 'massacre' any TCs however few their minority might be. Turkey has done its job, by preventing what they allege would have been a massacre due to enosis.

5. Enosis is not an ideal that exists today and so there is no danger to TCs.

6. why then don't Turkey respect international law, move out of cyprus and let the dialogue between GCs and TCs begin ?

Its as simple as that. The only reason Turkey was there in the first place was supposedly to protect TCs against the monsters GCs. Well that threat doesn't exsist (and probably never did), so no real excuse anymore, right ??

As for conspiring other nations, all you have to do is look at the recently release government documents from the UK. It is clear that there was a consipacy, USA,UK and Turkey.

From where i stand, and as i have said before, the cyprus problem will be sorted out when the USA and the UK have decided to do it. Sadly i would say thhat Turkey won't decide this because they are also being USED in this issue by the other 2 powers.

So, Peratis and serkan my friends, it doen't matter how much you accused each other of racism, being blame merchants,etc, you will keep on doing this until the cows come home. We are all being used and the sooner we realise this the better.

Serkan, I would just like to ask you one (although i have many) simple question please.

Why is it that many churches in the north have been desecrated, robbed, used as animal and animal feed storage space, when in the south the minarets (hope spelling is ok) are preserved and even maintained?

Do you not think that just this action alone fuels anger and hatred ? How can dialogue be easily achieved by this behaviour ?

Thanks for listening.

Pantheman

[serkan]

[quote]Serkan, should we also pay your property taxes as well, after you get your 2 states?[/quote]

sorry can you clarify this question?

[quote]6. why then don't Turkey respect international law, move out of cyprus and let the dialogue between GCs and TCs begin ? [/quote]

Why must Turkey leave the island before dialogue can continue, at present the ball is in the court of Talat and Papadopolous. People should stop blaming Turkey as the barrier to a resolution, when the TC's are content with a viable solution the Turkish military will leave. They have already pledged to limit their contingent on the island to pre 1974 levels under the annan plan - Im sure they will honour this under any other solution because in reality maintaining 40,000 troops on the island is economically and politically costly.

[quote]. Enosis is not an ideal that exists today and so there is no danger to TCs. [/quote]

Can you or anybody really gaurantee that intercomunal violance wont erupt again. and not just ignited by the greeks, what if 10 years down the line TC arn't satisfied by an agreement which transforms from the majority to a minority. has anyone considered what may happen if the Turks turn on the Greeks. As our history teaches us it only takes a few idiots (like Eoka) to set the island on fire.

[quote]Why is it that many churches in the north have been desecrated, robbed, used as animal and animal feed storage space, when in the south the minarets (hope spelling is ok) are preserved and even maintained?
[/quote]

I would be greatful if you could give me a list of such churches, i will immediately visit the sites and petition the TRNC not only to stop using them in such a manner but also to restore these buildings. I have travelled all over northern Cyprus though and have to admit that I have never seen anything like this - if it has happened it is disgusting. please supply me with the names of the churches and which villages/towns etc they are in

[serkan]

[quote] Well that threat doesn't exsist (and probably never did), [/quote]

pantheman let me illuminate you on my personal background. My father was made a refugee in 1964 his family is from the village of Yagmuralan (Vroisha). One day the news came that Eoka members were congragating in a nearby village and that they had 'home made tanks' (Bulldozers with metal plating welded to the sides and a machine gun attached). The call to immediately evacuate the village was made and the villagers fled to the sourounding forests. The militia must have been pissed to have found the village empty because they used that bulldozer to destroy all the houses and make the village uninhabitable. As a young boy i asked my grandmother what she felt about that episode - to my utter suprise she said she was releived, why i asked, and she answered that due to the remoteness of their village their was an innevitability that one day Eoka would come, she was releived that she was able to leave with her own life and the life of her children.

A group of refugee's recently sent a letter to the RoC to ask what action would be taken about such events (eg an enquiry) and what compensation could they receive. They simply replied that the villagers had destroyed the village themselves and were entitled to no damages!

[cypezokyli]

pantheman let me illuminate you on my personal background. My father was made a refugee in 1964 his family is from the village of Yagmuralan (Vroisha). One day the news came that Eoka members were congragating in a nearby village and that they had 'home made tanks' (Bulldozers with metal plating welded to the sides and a machine gun attached). The call to immediately evacuate the village was made and the villagers fled to the sourounding forests. The militia must have been pissed to have found the village empty because they used that bulldozer to destroy all the houses and make the village uninhabitable. As a young boy i asked my grandmother what she felt about that episode - to my utter suprise she said she was releived, why i asked, and she answered that due to the remoteness of their village their was an innevitability that one day Eoka would come, she was releived that she was able to leave with her own life and the life of her children.

A group of refugee's recently sent a letter to the RoC to ask what action would be taken about such events (eg an enquiry) and what compensation could they receive. They simply replied that the villagers had destroyed the village themselves and were entitled to no damages!

you know serkan, a couple of years ago i would say you were lying and that this never happened. or that you destroyed the houses yourselves in order to blame it on us. now i believe that the cyprus stupidity has no limits and all i can say is: i am honestl sorry.
i am also not surprised by the answer you got from the RoC

and on that matter

I would be greatful if you could give me a list of such churches, i will immediately visit the sites and petition the TRNC not only to stop using them in such a manner but also to restore these buildings. I have travelled all over northern Cyprus though and have to admit that I have never seen anything like this - if it has happened it is disgusting. please supply me with the names of the churches and which villages/towns etc they are in

dont try to play the game with the chuches. as i said cypriot stupidity has no limits

[Piratis]

pantheman let me illuminate you on my personal background.

Your background is shared by many other TCs and by way more GCs. The question is: Why do you insist on human right violations today?

What do you think about those people that forced you out of your home? I am sure you must like them a lot since today you do exactly that by using force to keep not one village, but 200.000 people out of their homes.

So how can you complain about them when you are much worst?

[zan]

We can complain about them because they are refusing to acknowledge the fact that it happened. That is a crime worse than anything that you can put foreward because we cannot claim anything until that happens. Lies rather than compensation.

[lysi]

How about we set up a GREEK CYPRIOTS SIT ON THERE ARSES AND DO NOTHING ABOUT THE OCCUPATION PARTY ?
I think many members of the cyprus political parties will join up as they can not organize a piss up in a brewery.

[serkan]

Thank you cypezokyli for acknowledging what happened , thank you also for apologising on behalf of your community. I would like to take this oppertunity to also apologise for any pain which was caused by the Turks during the intercommunal violance and since 1974. I know first hand that its not only the physical effects which can be damaging but also the psychological.

Piratis in response to what you've said, I would like to make one thing clear - I didn't illuminate you on my family's background in order to try and in some way justify the displacement of Greek Cypriots, neither was it indended to act as an example of why Turks and Greeks shouldn't live together (after all it has been over 40 years since this specific event. Their is no justification for what happened to either side no matter what we sayhuman pain is equally disturbing to all people. The important thing here is not who done it to who in greater numbers, but merely that it happend.

Piratis you asked: What do you think about those people that forced you out of your home? I am sure you must like them a lot since today you do exactly that by using force to keep not one village, but 200.000 people out of their homes. So how can you complain about them when you are much worst?

I have to say that your opinion is insulting, but on this matter I want to let you know what i think about what happened to my village. It was a horrific ordeal for the people involved, it was highly regrettable and it was in the past. Thats were it should stay. The people from Vroisha have acknowledged that they will never be able to return to their homes, what they now want is a respectful recognition of what took place and a peacful resolution. i think that greek cypriots deserve the same but they must acknowledge as their TC counterparts have done that they may have to sacrifice their intent to regain their homes in order to reach a peacful and lasting resolution in Cyprus.