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[repulsewarrior]

...i see with Constitutional reform a result quite different. The Republic of Cyprus takes its rightful place in our politics as Cypriots, representing us as Cypriots, without further need for distinctions or discrimination.

At another level of Government the possibility of a set of Cypriot Constituencies, Constitutionally is defined, so that as Persons there is the kind of self-representation where as Cypriots, Cypriots choose a distinct identity, by residing within the territorial jurisdiction of a specific Constituency. And with their vote and taxes sustain and promote their Agenda, in Liberty closer to home, for Freedom otherwise.

...Turkish Cypriots can demonstrate that within the context of one Cyprus, their success as Persons may be emulated. Greek Cypriots may realise that a Greek Constituency can provide the same benefits, so too the Maronites. Beyond the benefit of a Cyprus where we as Individuals regard ourselves as equals, and beyond the overwhelming majority being Greek (at the moment), the fact remains, we speak English. While we are divided we remain impotent, as facilitators of exchange. Our biggest advantage is our diversity, if as Cypriots we defend each other. What of osmosis? With the rest of the world, it cannot be stopped, and while Cyprus had no asphalt roads to speak of in 1960, the world has changed and continues to change at a faster pace. What of choice? Who is "Turkish", who is "Greek", in a world like ours, it counts for very little, doesn't it? I prefer to embrace this future, I prefer if we take the time as Cypriots to speak many languages well, I prefer if our mother tongues were more valuable to us, collectively.

MrH, you talk of a 'new Cyprus', if you will, a name change, a Constitutional order that keeps the things just they way they are; we need a change in intentions.

[Nikitas]

Give them what they want: full separation. Any other way will eventually backfire on the GCs. Post solution there will be one power center in the north and that will be the turkish embassy. As the turkish consulate now in Komotini in northern Greece controls local muslim affairs the embassy will control TC affairs and puppet TC politicians will implement the embassy orders at the federal level.

Cut all ties NOW. Strip all TCs of RoC citizenship, recognise the TRNC subject to a territorial adjustment. Accept that no compensation will be paid for lost properties, either with or without BBF. And be done with this crap.

Announce this as official RoC planning and watch them beg, because they know that full partition will mean their final disappearance as they are swallowed by the motherland.

And make recognition conditional on them keeping that ridiculous flag on the mountain. We need that flag to remember who and what we are dealing with.

[Nikitas]

To the GCs who may be shocked at the above post, citing the principle "την πατρίδα ουκ ελάττω παραδόσω" note the following:

Full separation multiplies the territory of the RoC via the unequivocal ownership of the southern-western EEZ.

BBF is the bigger threat to the size of the RoC due to the voluntary ceding, in perpetuity, of rights to a foreign power, ie military presence, search and rescue, gas transport etc, and the simultaneous unilateral disarmament and abolition of the national guard. BBF is in fact the true violation of the principle.

[B25]

Give them what they want: full separation. Any other way will eventually backfire on the GCs. Post solution there will be one power center in the north and that will be the turkish embassy. As the turkish consulate now in Komotini in northern Greece controls local muslim affairs the embassy will control TC affairs and puppet TC politicians will implement the embassy orders at the federal level.

Cut all ties NOW. Strip all TCs of RoC citizenship, recognise the TRNC subject to a territorial adjustment. Accept that no compensation will be paid for lost properties, either with or without BBF. And be done with this crap.

Announce this as official RoC planning and watch them beg, because they know that full partition will mean their final disappearance as they are swallowed by the motherland.

And make recognition conditional on them keeping that ridiculous flag on the mountain. We need that flag to remember who and what we are dealing with.

Nikita, I'm with you on this, start a movement and get votes. Only way to deal with crap.

[repulsewarrior]

...i am not prepared to split this island for the benefit of "Turks", or "Greeks".

Cyprus exists, Cypriots exist, despite the Agenda that these two adversaries have focused on for all these years, the notion that Cypriots are Cypriots has not been crushed, on either side of "their" line.

...kindly read Kikapu's solution, or my own manifesto, you will find that the possibilities a BBF offers, are unlike the models proposed by those "Turkish", you Nikitas fear. Consider Canada, and the USA, they are both BBF. That while Canada is divided into many Nations, and in that context, many Provinces, Canadians are not divided. Like the USA, it may have 51 States, but as the USA, its Federal Government speaks for Americans, as Individuals, whether as Persons they are quite different, (on many levels,) and at times politically in opposition.

Within a Cyprus, a Turkish Constituency could exist, only if that possibility was available to other Cypriot Constituencies. Whether Grecophones feel the need to sustain this form of self-representation, as Persons, or not, is their choice. The Liberty to do so, now and in the future is key, that the Turkish Constituency may find an equal within a set of Constituencies, while no individual Constituency is an equal to the State. Cyprus is not Greek, its overwhelming majority has as a mother tongue, Greek, yet Cypriots speak English overwhelmingly. Something to think about, because as Cypriots we have the greatest chance, now. to defend our own ethnos, Greek, Turkish, and Arabic, given that without this consideration, likely they, all of them, (given their practical use,) will become extinct in time; did i mention that English is far more useful...

There is a great difference between Freedom, and Liberty; while in Liberty we choose, in Freedom there is no compromise.

[Jerry]

by Jerry » Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:50 pm
If you are capable H read and try to understand what the UN Secretary General said about your leadership. You are a minority in Cyprus - like the Kurds are in Turkey but you expect to be treated as an equal community. I say bollocks to that and to you, you pathetic little creep.

The Secretary-General of the United Nations (U Thant) in 1965:

"The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to a rigid stand against any measures which might involve having members of the two communities live and work together, or which might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and geographical separation of the communities as a political goal, it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots"

(UN Report S/6426 10.6.65)

Jerry,

When are you and your Greek Cypriot minded people going to realize that the Turkish Cypriots are NOTHING to do with the Greek Cypriot LEAD/and HIJACKED so called "Republic of Cyprus"? Stop living in the Bloody past! Here are some REAL FACTS to Consider, and please read and understand them properly:

1) The Turkish Cypriots live (regardless of how) under their own TAIWAN style "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" recognized by 82 million Turks of Turkey.

2) Any new Cyprus plan will be to the REMOVAL of the Greek Cypriot lead "Republic of Cyprus" to a "Federal, United" type of formula with TWO Constituent states with SELF-GOVERNING Powers - Otherwise it Won't happen!

3) Although the EU have Accepted the entire island of Cyprus into the EU, they have also stipulated that only the Greek Cypriot Administered area has "Effective Control" under the EU norms until a COMPREHENSIVE settlement of the "CYPRUS PROBLEM" is found. In exact words "The EU has special legal arrangements for North Cyprus which makes it a special territory within the EU"

4) Read the following: https://www.ciaonet.org/attachments/15614/uploads

5) And finally, based on the above, why is your Greek Cypriot President always Compelled and FORCED to the negotiating table to discuss ONLY a Federal formula similarly to that of the Annan Plan Recognizing two Federated Constituent state if his/your Hijacked "Republic of Cyprus" is the END ALL?

Wake up and read the above to your Greek Cypriot Politicians and watch the ANGER of their reactions as they frustratingly tell you that it's the honest and practical truth even if it's against their wishes!

No need for the hysterical script you sad little creep, it impresses no one. You can have your own state, you can shove it up your arse sideways for all I care but it will only be internationally recognised with the consent of the ROC and to get that you have to return a significant portion of territory.

Oh and by the way, you will not get any gas from the ROC, you will have to make do with the sewage contaminated water you are gifted by your master on the mainland, it may yield a little gas if there's enough shit in it.

[Lordo]

there will be division. we intend to live as friends whether you like or not. tcs can also refuse division unless of course its at what ever percentage a fair exchange will deliver. pound for pound in money. you assholes. we shall have 50%+

[repulsewarrior]

...again with the "we"; aren't you Cypriot?

[kurupetos]

...again with the "we"; aren't you Cypriot?

Not on Wednesdays.