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[GreekIslandGirl]

Some idiots still think Greece has to manage the external borders all by itself to the benefit of the rest of Europe.

Some prize idiots think Greece should be sanctioned or expelled (if only the EU Commission had the power).

Some phenomenal idiots think managing hundreds of thousands of migrants should fall on the shoulders of Greece so that it can be criticized when it crumbles under the weight.

Well, I've got news for those idiots - the EU doesn't think like you!



European Commission - Press release

A European Border and Coast Guard to protect Europe's External Borders

Strasbourg, 15 December 2015

A European Border and Coast Guard to protect Europe's External Borders

The European Commission is today adopting an important set of measures to manage the EU's external borders and protect our Schengen area without internal borders. Today's proposals will help to manage migration more effectively, improve the internal security of the European Union, and safeguard the principle of free movement of persons. The Commission is proposing to establish a European Border and Coast Guard to ensure a strong and shared management of the external borders. To further increase security for Europe's citizens, the Commission is also proposing to introduce systematic checks against relevant databases for all people entering or exiting the Schengen area.
European Commission First Vice-President Frans Timmermans said: "In an area of free movement without internal borders, managing Europe’s external borders must be a shared responsibility. The crisis has exposed clear weaknesses and gaps in existing mechanisms aimed at making sure that EU standards are upheld. Therefore, it is now time to move to a truly integrated system of border management. The European Border and Coast Guard will bring together a reinforced Agency, with the ability to draw on a reserve pool of people and equipment, and the Member States’ authorities, who will continue to exercise day-to-day border management. The system we propose will allow for an identification of any weaknesses in real time so that they can be remedied quickly, also improving our collective ability to deal effectively with crisis situations where a section of the external border is placed under strong pressure."
European Commissioner for Migration, Home Affairs and Citizenship, Dimitris Avramopoulos added: "The current migration and security challenges know no borders, and require a truly European approach. Where Frontex used to be limited to supporting Member States in managing their external borders, the new Border Agency will go beyond this. What we are creating today is more Europe: to manage our external borders, to step up returns of irregular migrants, to allow our asylum system to function properly for those in need and to strengthen checks at the external borders of the European Union. The Border Package we are presenting today will increase security for our citizens and ensure high standards of border management."
A European Border and Coast Guard
The European Border and Coast Guard will bring together a European Border and Coast Guard Agency built from Frontex and the Member States’ authorities responsible for border management, who will continue to exercise the day-to-day management of the external border.
The new European Border and Coast Guard will have:
A rapid reserve pool of border guards and technical equipment: The Agency will be able to draw on at least 1,500 experts that can be deployed in under 3 days. For the first time the Agency will be able to acquire equipment itself and to draw on a pool of technical equipment provided by the Member States. There will no longer be shortages of staff or equipment for European border operations. The new Agency's human resources will more than double that of Frontex, to reach 1,000 permanent staff, including field operatives, by 2020.
A monitoring and supervisory role: A monitoring and risk analysis centre will be established to monitor migratory flows towards and within the European Union and to carry out risk analysis and mandatory vulnerability assessments to identify and address weak spots. Liaison officers will be seconded to Member States to ensure presence on the ground where the borders are at risk. The Agency will be able to assess the operational capacity, technical equipment and resources of Member States to face challenges at their external borders and require Member States to take measures to address the situation within a set time-limit in case of vulnerabilities.
The right to intervene: Member States can request joint operations and rapid border interventions, and deployment of the European Border and Coast Guard Teams to support these.Where deficiencies persist or where a Member State is under significant migratory pressure putting in peril the Schengen areaand national action is not forthcoming or not enough, the Commission will be able to adopt an implementing decision determining that the situation at a particular section of the external borders requires urgent action at European level.This will allow the Agency to step in and deploy European Border and Coast Guard Teams to ensure that action is taken on the ground even when a Member State is unable or unwilling to take the necessary measures.
Coast Guard surveillance: National coastguards will be part of the European Border and Coast Guard to the extent that they carry out border control tasks. The mandates of the European Fisheries Control Agency and the European Maritime Safety Agency will be aligned to the new European Border and Coast Guard. The three Agencies will be able to launch joint surveillance operations, for instance by jointly operating Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems (drones) in the Mediterranean Sea.
A mandate to work in third countries: The Agency will have a new mandate to send liaison officers to and launch joint operations with neighbouring third countries, including operating on their territory.
A stronger role in returns: A European Return Office will be established within the Agency to allow for the deployment of European Return Intervention Teams composed of escorts, monitors and return specialists who will work to effectively return illegally staying third country nationals. A standard European travel document for return will ensure a wider acceptance of returnees by third countries.
Guaranteeing Internal Security: The Agency will include cross-border crime and terrorism in its risk analysisand cooperate with other Union agencies and international organisations on the prevention of terrorism, in full respect of fundamental rights.
Systematic checks of EU citizens at external borders
To increase security within the Schengen area, the Commission is proposing a targeted modification of the Schengen Borders Code to introduce mandatory systematic checks of EU citizens at external land, sea, and air borders. Obligatory checks on EU citizens will be introduced against databases such as the Schengen Information System, the Interpol Stolen and Lost Travel Documents Database and relevant national systems, in order to verify that persons arriving do not represent a threat to public order and internal security. The proposal also reinforces the need to verify the biometric identifiers in the passports of EU citizens in case of doubts on the authenticity of the passport or on the legitimacy of the holder. Checks will now also be mandatory when exiting the European Union.
In principle, since controls on documents and persons can be carried out in parallel, authorities should be able to consult relevant databases without delaying border crossings. The rules provide for flexibility in cases where systematic checks could have a disproportionate impact on the flow of traffic at the border. In such cases Member States can, based on risk assessments, decide to carry out targeted checks at some land and sea borders crossings. The risk assessment shall be communicated to the Agency, which can assess the way the exception is applied in its vulnerability assessment.
The systematic checks in the databases are done on a 'hit/no hit' basis. This means that if the person does not present a risk then the check is not registered and no further processing of their data happens. Using the databases in this way means that personal data rights are only impacted to a very limited extent, and justified by the security objectives.
Background
The establishment of a European Border and Coast Guard, as announced by President Juncker in his State of the Union Speech on 9 September, is part of the measures under the European Agenda on Migration to reinforce the management and security of the EU's external borders. The European Agenda on Migration adopted by the Commission in May 2015 set out the need for a comprehensive approach to migration management. This objective has also been signalled by the European Parliament and endorsed in the clear orientations set out by the European Council on 23 September and 15 October.
In response to the recent tragic attacks in Paris and the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters, the Commission has swiftly taken action to accelerate work and implementation of measures under the European Security Agenda. Today's proposal responds to the need to reinforce security controls at the EU's external borders, as called for by Interior Ministers on 20 November.

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6327_en.htm

[erolz66]

Some idiots still think Greece has to manage the external borders all by itself to the benefit of the rest of Europe.

Straw man argument. Either show an actual quote where anyone on this forum has claimed Greece has to or should manage its external borders alone, with no help or aid in doing so - or shut the fuck up dear.

Some prize idiots think Greece should be sanctioned or expelled (if only the EU Commission had the power).

Straw man argument. Either show an actual quote where anyone on this forum has claimed Greece should be sanctioned or expelled (from schengen) - or shut the fuck up dear.

Some phenomenal idiots think managing hundreds of thousands of migrants should fall on the shoulders of Greece so that it can be criticized when it crumbles under the weight.

Straw man argument.... or shut the fuck up dear.

This then is what you do on this forum. This is what you have always done. Same old same old. You really can not teach an old dog or bitch (if female) new tricks in some cases it would seem.

[GreekIslandGirl]

That's fine then if at least one of you finally accepts the external borders are a shared EU responsibility and Greece shouldn't be scapegoated.



It's only taken you six weeks to get round to it.

[erolz66]

That's fine then if at least one of you finally accepts the external borders are a shared EU responsibility and Greece shouldn't be scapegoated.



It's only taken you six weeks to get round to it.

If I had ever said the things that you claim I did, and now I said something different then you may have been right. I did not say those things you claimed I did - and that is what 'straw man argument means'.

This then is what you do here on this forum. This is what you have always done here on this forum.

[supporttheunderdog]

This is the usual gIG distortion plus lies as it say nothing about the debate we have been trying to have for a month, where
1) under ec 2007/2004 Greece is currently responsible for its external borders,
2)where the role of Frontex is limited in that role, and where in terms of providing assistance on tbe ground it is only at the invitation of the member state, eg Greece,
3)whereby following inspections carried out under the Schengen Evaluation regime The EU has found Serious deficiencies in how Greece was fulfilling certain obligations under Schengen,
4) where under article 19b SBC the Eu Council has required Greece to take steps to remedy those deficiencies,
5) where the EU council has also warned that if Greece does not do so in a satisfactory manner, steps may be taken under article 26 SBC to require Greece to impose border controls on the internal EU borders.
These are all, in my view confirmed truths, which "g"IG has sought to deny with diversion, deception, evasion and outright mendacity, despite these finding being reported in various official EU documents and EU official press releases, etc..

Again I repeat my request to agree that these above statements are correct.

They cannot be dismissed by describing Official EU statements etc, as "Meaningless Documents"and the fact that Greece has (belatedly) asked for and got help does not take away from those criticisms.

Why GIGs argument here also constitutes diversion, deception evasion and outright mendacity in respect of the debate she referred to is that this does not reflect let alone alter that current situation as set out above and explained at length in other topics, but constitutes a proposal for future change (which further take away from the sovereignty of EU member states in favour of the Brussels dictatorship).

As for the item itself the following aspects also need highlighting, and which reflects the continuing primary role of the national authorities of the Member States in external border control, with ground assistance in fulfilling that role either on request or imposed if the member nation does not do the job properlly.

The European Commission is today adopting an important set of measures to manage the EU's external borders and protect our Schengen area without internal borders. Today's proposals will help to manage migration more effectively, improve the internal security of the European Union, and safeguard the principle of free movement of persons. The Commission is proposing to establish a European Border and Coast Guard to ensure a strong and shared management of the external borders. To further increase security for Europe's citizens, the Commission is also proposing to introduce systematic checks against relevant databases for all people entering or exiting the Schengen area.
European Commission First Vice-President Frans Timmermans said: "In an area of free movement without internal borders, managing Europe’s external borders must be a shared responsibility. The crisis has exposed clear weaknesses and gaps in existing mechanisms aimed at making sure that EU standards are upheld. Therefore, it is now time to move to a truly integrated system of border management. The European Border and Coast Guard will bring together a reinforced Agency, with the ability to draw on a reserve pool of people and equipment, and the Member States’ authorities, who will continue to exercise day-to-day border management. The system we propose will allow for an identification of any weaknesses in real time so that they can be remedied quickly, also improving our collective ability to deal effectively with crisis situations where a section of the external border is placed under strong pressure."
European Commissioner for Migration, Home Affairs and Citizenship, Dimitris Avramopoulos added: "The current migration and security challenges know no borders, and require a truly European approach. Where Frontex used to be limited to supporting Member States in managing their external borders, the new Border Agency will go beyond this. What we are creating today is more Europe: to manage our external borders, to step up returns of irregular migrants, to allow our asylum system to function properly for those in need and to strengthen checks at the external borders of the European Union. The Border Package we are presenting today will increase security for our citizens and ensure high standards of border management."
A European Border and Coast Guard
The European Border and Coast Guard will bring together a European Border and Coast Guard Agency built from Frontex and the Member States’ authorities responsible for border management, who will continue to exercise the day-to-day management of the external border.
The new European Border and Coast Guard will have:
A rapid reserve pool of border guards and technical equipment: The Agency will be able to draw on at least 1,500 experts that can be deployed in under 3 days. For the first time the Agency will be able to acquire equipment itself and to draw on a pool of technical equipment provided by the Member States. There will no longer be shortages of staff or equipment for European border operations. The new Agency's human resources will more than double that of Frontex, to reach 1,000 permanent staff, including field operatives, by 2020.
A monitoring and supervisory role: A monitoring and risk analysis centre will be established to monitor migratory flows towards and within the European Union and to carry out risk analysis and mandatory vulnerability assessments to identify and address weak spots. Liaison officers will be seconded to Member States to ensure presence on the ground where the borders are at risk.
The right to intervene: Member States can request joint operations and rapid border interventions, and deployment of the European Border and Coast Guard Teams to support these. Where deficiencies persist or where a Member State is under significant migratory pressure putting in peril the Schengen area and national action is not forthcoming or not enough, the Commission will be able to adopt an implementing decision determining that the situation at a particular section of the external borders requires urgent action at European level. This will allow the Agency to step in and deploy European Border and Coast Guard Teams to ensure that action is taken on the ground even when a Member State is unable or unwilling to take the necessary measures .
Coast Guard surveillance: National coastguards will be part of the European Border and Coast Guard to the extent that they carry out border control tasks. The mandates of the European Fisheries Control Agency and the European Maritime Safety Agency will be aligned to the new European Border and Coast Guard. The three Agencies will be able to launch joint surveillance operations, for instance by jointly operating Remotely Piloted Aircraft Systems (drones) in the Mediterranean Sea.
A mandate to work in third countries: The Agency will have a new mandate to send liaison officers to and launch joint operations with neighbouring third countries, including operating on their territory.
A stronger role in returns: A European Return Office will be established within the Agency to allow for the deployment of European Return Intervention Teams composed of escorts, monitors and return specialists who will work to effectively return illegally staying third country nationals. A standard European travel document for return will ensure a wider acceptance of returnees by third countries.
Guaranteeing Internal Security: The Agency will include cross-border crime and terrorism in its risk analysisand cooperate with other Union agencies and international organisations on the prevention of terrorism, in full respect of fundamental rights.
Systematic checks of EU citizens at external borders
To increase security within the Schengen area, the Commission is proposing a targeted modification of the Schengen Borders Code to introduce mandatory systematic checks of EU citizens at external land, sea, and air borders. Obligatory checks on EU citizens will be introduced against databases such as the Schengen Information System, the Interpol Stolen and Lost Travel Documents Database and relevant national systems, in order to verify that persons arriving do not represent a threat to public order and internal security. The proposal also reinforces the need to verify the biometric identifiers in the passports of EU citizens in case of doubts on the authenticity of the passport or on the legitimacy of the holder. Checks will now also be mandatory when exiting the European Union.
In principle, since controls on documents and persons can be carried out in parallel, authorities should be able to consult relevant databases without delaying border crossings. The rules provide for flexibility in cases where systematic checks could have a disproportionate impact on the flow of traffic at the border. In such cases Member States can, based on risk assessments, decide to carry out targeted checks at some land and sea borders crossings. The risk assessment shall be communicated to the Agency, which can assess the way the exception is applied in its vulnerability assessment.
The systematic checks in the databases are done on a 'hit/no hit' basis. This means that if the person does not present a risk then the check is not registered and no further processing of their data happens. Using the databases in this way means that personal data rights are only impacted to a very limited extent, and justified by the security objectives.
Background
The establishment of a European Border and Coast Guard, as announced by President Juncker in his State of the Union Speech on 9 September, is part of the measures under the European Agenda on Migration to reinforce the management and security of the EU's external borders. The European Agenda on Migration adopted by the Commission in May 2015 set out the need for a comprehensive approach to migration management. This objective has also been signalled by the European Parliament and endorsed in the clear orientations set out by the European Council on 23 September and 15 October.
In response to the recent tragic attacks in Paris and the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters, the Commission has swiftly taken action to accelerate work and implementation of measures under the European Security Agenda. Today's proposal responds to the need to reinforce security controls at the EU's external borders, as called for by Interior Ministers on 20 November.

[size=200]NOTE! IT IS ALL IN THE FUTURE AND DOES NOT DIMINISH THE FACT THAT GREECE HAS BEEN CRITICIZED AND MUST TAKE ACTION TO REMEDY THE SERIOUS DEFICIENCIES OR AS THREATENED SHE MAY BE SANCTIONED BY BEING FORCED TO IMPOSE AT LEAST SOME BORDER CONTROLS FOR TRAVEL TO SCHENGEN STATES [/size]

or is this just another "meaningless document"

[boomerang]

dude, with these long posts, about f'ing nothing that no one is gonna read, while no one gives a continental what the Eu and Greece have going, and if you live in Cyprus, then you really haven't comprehended what living is all about...

on the other hand GIG has 2 dudes tied up in knots...go figure...she throws you 2 guys a bone and you instantly bar up to attention...f'me...never seen anything like it...

she gives you 2 guys 2 lines and you guys spend time coming up with pages upon pages that no one is gonna read...and she is definitely cool as a cucumber...while you 2 guys are being sexist out of borne frustration...

clearly in the battle I would have GIG in front...by a long stretch...

one thing is for sure I would classify GIG as an expert fisherman...you guys take line, sinker and hook and she only uses berley, no bait...

[supporttheunderdog]

dude, with these long posts, about f'ing nothing that no one is gonna read, while no one gives a continental what the Eu and Greece have going, and if you live in Cyprus, then you really haven't comprehended what living is all about...

on the other hand GIG has 2 dudes tied up in knots...go figure...she throws you 2 guys a bone and you instantly bar up to attention...f'me...never seen anything like it...

she gives you 2 guys 2 lines and you guys spend time coming up with pages upon pages that no one is gonna read...and she is definitely cool as a cucumber...while you 2 guys are being sexist out of borne frustration...

clearly in the battle I would have GIG in front...by a long stretch...

one thing is for sure I would classify GIG as an expert fisherman...you guys take line, sinker and hook and she only uses berley, no bait...

I disagree. We have her tied up in knots - the lying bit of shit she is.

[boomerang]

sure dude, give your self a pat on the back as if anyone is gonna read your response...

[supporttheunderdog]

sure dude, give your self a pat on the back as if anyone is gonna read your response...

I have just quoted big Mak who blamed Greece for the 74 Invasion...

[boomerang]

buddy, your private dick powers are quickly eluding you...