GreekIslandGirl wrote:You also claimed they had threatened Greece with sanctions. This proved to be a baseless lie that even attracted the publication of a strong confirmation against such interpretation and yet you still went off on one again determined to twist some possible hope of a sanction. You are sick.
I, along with 100's of journalists from countless media outlets, claimed that the ability of the EU to close the internal boarders between Greece and other Schengen members under Article 26, should Greece fail to rectified the identified serious deficiencies of Greece within three months, represents the ability to sanction Greece. You presented evidence that the EU says such an ability does not represent a 'sanction'. I accepted this evidence, I accept that my claim is contradictory to theirs. My claim is not a baseless lie , it is a difference of opinion between myself and the EU on this point. Nor is my opinion 'baseless'. The basis on which I hold it is the FACT that the EU can under Article 26 impose on Greece the suspension of Greece from Schengen, if Greece does not rectify the identified serious deficiencies within the defined three month period.
For a clear example of something that IS a baseless lie you only need to look here
cyprus43551-20.html#p834808 Your claim that 'your document' (8th biannual report on function of Schengen area) was the 'evaluation document that 'my source' was debating' IS a baseless lie. It is provable and been proven that 'your document' could not possibly have been the one 'my source' was debating. That then is a clear example of a baseless lie. Just one of the many reality you have never addressed and just simply ignore because doing so suits you. This is what you do. Make claims that are not true , could not be true, build on these lies and repeat them over and over and never address the lie in your original claim when challenged over it.
GreekIslandGirl wrote:And finally, if you read the documents as a whole, as intended with recommendations and action plans you will see that once again it is your interpretation at fault and the fact you fail to distinguish between the sovereign role Greece plays and the extraneous role of the JOINT EU external border which at least since 2010, in Greece, has been under the management of Frontex (and slightly earlier for Poseidon).
There are No documents, plural. There was and is a Schengen evaluation report on Greece. This document, like ALL such Schengen evaluation reports is itself not public. The conclusions that this evaluation report on Greece came to were made public by the EU themselves. The conclusions are clear and plain and state "Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations". This is a FACT. There is no interpretation to be done. There is just the FACT that the EU said this. If you had said you disagree with the conclusions in this official EU evaluation of GREECE, that would be a rational position. To try and claim the EU did NOT say this is not rational, it is just denial of FACT, which is what you do, what you have always done.
GreekIslandGirl wrote:You even fail to see how because Greece (like any other country) has a limited police force that you think, despite recent EU-loan-enforced cuts, they should be forced to employ a few hundred thousand more to deal with Turkey's illegal migrants - and yet again I showed you how that distinction works whereby it was Frontex that has recruited extra police from around the EU - because it is a SHARED responsibility - but you see "Greece" and Hellenic" and you wet yourself with anticipation that some disaster might befall Greece to make you satisfied.
I pointed out the FACT that ONE of the 50 specific measures the EU (not me, the EU) has said GREECE needs to address, in order to not longer be neglecting its obligations, is to reinforce the Hellenic Police. I pointed out this FACT to show how your claim that the measures that the EU has said Greece needs to take to no longer be neglecting it's obligations were all to do with Frontex and were responsibility of Frontex and not Greece. The Hellenic Police, despite all your efforts to distort and distract is is the national police service of Greece. It is nothing to do with Frontex, Frontex has no responsibility for it or control over it. Thus when the EU says what Greece needs to do to meet its obligations is reinforce the Hellenic Police this PROVES that the claim that the measures the EU has said Greece needs to take in order to meet its obligations are NOT all to do with Frontex and the responsibility of Frontex. Just one more reality that you will ignore because it does not suit you.
GreekIslandGirl wrote:You fail to see that anyone can make any absurd recommendations (e.g. best to send all the illegal migrants to the moon, plenty of room there) but how they are interpreted and how they arrive at a viable solution, by those who have more insight, can be completely different when the whole scenario is evaluated. That's why I suggest to look at what is actually coming to fruition.
Anyone can make absurd recommendations but what has occurred is the EU COUNCIL has made 50 specific recommendation as to what GREECE needs to do in order to meet it's obligations. They made these recommendations and set a three month time limit on Greece to do so, as a RESULT OF the official Schengen Evaluation OF Greece, carried out as part of the Schengen Evaluation mechanism, as laid out in law, that concluded that "Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations". Despite all you attempts to twist and distort objective reality these 50 recommendations are NOT things that are the responsibility of Frontex. They are clearly things that GREECE is responsible for, not things that Frontex is responsible under Greece's supervision.
GreekIslandGirl wrote:You passion is reminiscent of dictators like Hitler, for sure. Your determination that one group of people must be punished. That organisations must stick to your interpretation of some law. That recommendations must be adhered to even if they are illogical, impractical and would cause more misery to that group of people rather than provide an opportunity for collaboration and setting right some outdated mechanism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_lawMy passion is for truth over lies, for rationality and reason over dogma and propaganda. Which is why I challenge and call out and show your behaviour here of systematic distortion of truth and reality to suits your needs, detached from and in denial of any and all actual reality.
