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[erolz66]

My claims that there were..

Did you claim the document 'my sources' was 'debating' was the document 'you had' and were quoting from ? Did you claim this GiG ? Did you ?

I know the answer to this question. Everyone and anyone who can be bothered knows the answer to this question. You know the answer to this question. No squirming, distraction or level of ad hominem attack on others by you can or will change the answer to this question. Nor can it or will it change the fact that such a claim could not possibly be true.

'no grounds for criticism of Greece' were based on facts and proven correct at the time I made the claims.

Based on the fact that this bi annual report covered a period of time that pre dated the conclusion of the evaluation on Greece. This is WHY you not ONLY quoted from this report but ALSO lied by saying it was the report that 'my sources' (EU Commission) were debating (in the press release), something that was impossible to be true, but you claimed none the less, why you ALSO claimed it was the 'relevant' report (LIE), was the report on which decisions would be based (LIE) and on and on. Lie after compounding lie, all based on an original lie that could not have possibly been true.

If in the future the situation changes,

Relative to 'your report' the EU Commission's press release that made public the conclusions of that evaluation report on Greece, were a 'future change' and that is exactly the point at which you started lying and the reason why you started lying.

There is not a sane person in the world that believes your claim that the EU did not criticise Greece in this evaluation report. Not a one.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Did you claim the document 'my sources' was 'debating' was the document 'you had' and were quoting from ? Did you claim this GiG ? Did you ?

You didn't really have a *source*, as it surmised.

You debated a debate on a summary of a conclusion to a document that we never saw because it wasn't in the public domain. Yet, you were unafraid to throw around 'facts' (without knowing them to be so) and then make some others up all on your own. These sources were asked for ad infinitum and you failed to provide.

My document was and is available for public viewing and I have cut&pasted all the relevant sections I mentioned. A lot more than you could do.

There is not a sane person in the world that believes your claim that the EU did not criticise Greece in this evaluation report. Not a one.

Who are you to talk of sanity? The evaluation document I posted shows no such criticism of Greece in its report on the crisis and the 'unprecedented situation' regarding the migrations.

Keep making stuff up. Keep finding chit chats and press gossip to add to your pile of imaginary criticisms of Greece.

The fact you resort to second hand information, conclusions and debates on conclusions that you then post-debate is proof of fueling your agenda:

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[erolz66]

You didn't really have a *source*, as it surmised.

The source was the EU Commission itself, which publicly announced the conclusions of the official Schengen evaluation report on Greece, carried out as per the rules and laws governing such evaluations.

You debated a debate on a summary of a conclusion to a document that we never saw because it wasn't in the public domain. Yet, you were unafraid to throw around 'facts' (without knowing them to be so) and then make some others up all on your own. These sources were asked for ad infinitum and you failed to provide.

The evaluation report on Sweden, the conclusions of which were detailed in 'your' report is also 'not public' but you happily used this "debate on a summary of a conclusion to a document that we never saw" to argue that the EU had criticise Sweden more than Greece and did so AFTER the EU had also publicly declared what the conclusion of the evaluation report on Greece was. Liar and hypocrite then. Nothing new there.

My document was and is available for public viewing and I have cut&pasted all the relevant sections I mentioned.

You did not just 'cut and paste' relevant sections though did you. You also made up total lies about that document, claiming that it was the document the EU Commission were talking about in the public press release that was available for public viewing and that I gave the link to and quote from. Lies that could not possibly be true, then or now.

The evaluation document I posted shows no such criticism of Greece in its report on the crisis and the 'unprecedented situation' regarding the migrations.

No the bi-annual report that you posted from details no criticism of Greece because it covered a period before the evaluation of Greece was done. Which is exactly why you then lied and claimed that the evaluation report on Greece that the public EU Commission press release was about and that revealed the conclusion fo the evaluation of Greece, that had not been completed when 'your' document was produced, was in fact about 'your' document, something that was not true and could not possibly have been true. A total and bald face lie. One that you have been repeating for over three months now.

Keep making stuff up. Keep finding chit chats and press gossip to add to your pile of imaginary criticisms of Greece.
The fact you resort to second hand information, conclusions and debates on conclusions that you then post-debate is proof of fueling your agenda:

The EU Commission were not 'making stuff up' when THEY publicly announced that the Schengen evaluation report on Greece had concluded that Greece was failing to meet its obligations and was 'seriously deficient'. That official public announcement by the EU Commission was not 'chit chat', It was not 'press gossip', it was not 'imaginary' criticism of Greece, it was not second hand information and it was not debating if the evaluation report on Greece had found that. It was stating that is what it had found. All of your claims are just more lies after more lies. You would appear to not be able to stop lying, the lies come so thick and fast from you.

Even when you are quoting from 'your' document (that you lyingly said and continue to say was the one the EU Commission press release was about) here in this thread you can not stop lying. When you implied that document did not mention sanctions,

Any nearer to finding where it mentions "sanctions"?

When in fact in the very next section after the one you quoted, it explicitly lays out exactly what sanctions can be applied to a member state that is found in an evaluation report on that member state to be 'seriously deficient'. Sure at the time your biannual report was produced the evaluation report that found Greece 'seriously deficient' was not finalised, but even 'your' report most certainly did mention sanctions.

[GreekIslandGirl]

You didn't really have a *source*, as it surmised.

The source was the EU Commission itself, which publicly announced the conclusions of the official Schengen evaluation report on Greece, carried out as per the rules and laws governing such evaluations.

Yes, the Universe contains everything - but you didn't have anything that backed up what you made up except some allusion to what might have been said behind some closed doors.

Same too for your quoting some outdated, never-applied *general powers* that Schengen might have been envisioned to have from years ago, that are placed under every mention of ANY Schengen country. And that does NOT make them part of any specific recommendations for any one country and 'recommendations' are not necessarily applied/followed once the decision for an action plan is made, higher up, which identifies the ever-changing problem as a WHOLE at that time and not as it was 3 or 6 months prior! That's why in the case of Greece we are seeing some extra actions like the Turkey-taking-back-migrants and NATO-Aegean activity.

The evaluation report on Sweden, the conclusions of which were detailed in 'your' report is also 'not public'

Wrong! That document was public and downloadable from a link in the discussion. I cut and pasted the section on Sweden .... but you're not really capable of following what counts and I'm not going over it all again so that you can look like you have some reason in having taken a childishly shitty attitude to Greece.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Keep making stuff up.

The EU Commission were not 'making stuff up'

Typical erolz straw man tactics. It's YOU who was making stuff up. You! Not the EU. Are you now the *EU Commission* ? Do you now believe *you* are one and the same as the *EU Commission*?

Seriously unhinged.

[erolz66]

- but you didn't have anything that backed up what you made up except some allusion to what might have been said behind some closed doors.

Blatant Lie. My original source was the PUBLIC EU Commission press release that publicly announced what the conclusion of the Schengen Evaluation report on Greece were (and that you lied was about 'your' bi-annual report, which could not possibly have been true). I subsequently provided the source of the not ONLY the EU Council's press release about their implementing decision to place a three month deadline on Greece to rectify the identified 'serious deficiencies' but ALSO the PUBLIC implementing decision of the EU Council itself - an as official POLICY document as exits in the EU. Your claim is just lies. Nothing new there then. No 'allusions' , no 'might have been said', NOT behind closed doors - these claims are just yet MORE lie upon lie upon lie from you. This is what you do here on this forum. What you have always done here for year after relentless year.

Wrong! That document was public and downloadable from a link in the discussion. I cut and pasted the section on Sweden ....

More lies. Your document is not an 'evaluation document' as defined by the laws governing the the Schengen evaluation mechanism. Schengen Evaluation reports, that are called 'evaluation reports', are specific to a single member state, they are the result of specific visits to that country and they are NOT public, though the conclusions of those reports are made public. Bi-Annual reports on the functioning of Schengen area are not 'evaluation reports' as defined by the schengen evaluation mechanism, they are not CALLED evaluation reports. They are a general review that includes details of those EVALUATION reports on those countries that were completed in the period the bi-annual report covers.

You have systematically LIED from the very beginning of this whole debate, starting with trying to make out that what the EU Commission press release was 'about' was 'your' report - the 8th Biannual report on the functioning of the Schengen area - it was NOT about this, your claim was a blatant LIE, it is impossible that your claim was true and this has been shown beyond ANY possible doubt and yet you STILL persist. This is WHAT YOU DO, it is what you have ALWAYS done here on these forums.

[erolz66]

Typical erolz straw man tactics. It's YOU who was making stuff up. You! Not the EU. Are you now the *EU Commission* ? Do you now believe *you* are one and the same as the *EU Commission*?

Once more you proudly show your total dishonesty and hypocrisy. I am not the EU Commission, an official public press release from the EU Commission IS the EU Commission. You are the one that claimed this official EU Commission Press release was

EU debate sites are NOT the same as the EU Commission

Seriously unhinged.

Indeed you clearly are as can be seen not by anything I have said but from your own relentless proven lying and the shameless way you proudly keep demonstrating it over and over and over.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Typical erolz straw man tactics. It's YOU who was making stuff up. You! Not the EU. Are you now the *EU Commission* ? Do you now believe *you* are one and the same as the *EU Commission*?

Once more you proudly show your total dishonesty and hypocrisy. I am not the EU Commission, an official public press release from the EU Commission IS the EU Commission. You are the one that claimed this official EU Commission Press release was

EU debate sites are NOT the same as the EU Commission

Seriously unhinged.

Indeed you clearly are as can be seen not by anything I have said but from your own relentless proven lying and the shameless way you proudly keep demonstrating it over and over and over.

And now the full extent of your absurdity is complete.

If you could seriously have challenged my points, as they were raised one at a time, months ago, then you would have done so. But you failed because you were dishonest in your approach.

That you have taken so much time to try, again , armed with using your well-known tactics of mish-mashing bits from here and there, trying to confuse others (not me) with claiming to be the voice of the EC or EU and then backing down when confronted and then trying to obfuscate with various document referred to when and at what and whatnot times, reeks of desperation in face-saving! I don't care and nobody else would care whether YOU are right or wrong.

But no - any thread about Greece, any thread about good Greek people any thread that challenges your sick hatred has to be TROLLED by YOU .... endlessly!

Seriously unhinged!

[erolz66]

If you could seriously have challenged my points, as they were raised one at a time, months ago, then you would have done so. But you failed because you were dishonest in your approach.

Lie after lie after lie. The truth is I did seriously challenge each and every compounding lie you told when you told it. When you first lied that the report the EU Press release was about was 'your report' - something that could not possibly be true, I showed it was a lie using undeniable EU documents from their primary source. When you lied about the EU press release being 'a debating site and NOT even the EU' I challenged that with direct undeniable hard evidence. even though the claim was and is ridiculous in and of itself. Each and every one of your lies was shown to be such back then when you first made them and yet you STILL just keep repeating them. STILL keep lying and say 'you have never addressed them', month after month after month, because this is what you do, it is what you have always done. It is ALL there in black and white in the original thread for anyone to see. This is meaningless to YOU because reality is meaningless to YOU. What continues to amaze me is you seriously seem to think it is meaningless to others.

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In all those months from when you first made the LIE that the report the EU Commission press release was about was 'your' report (8th Bi-annual report), you have not addressed this point, because you can not address it, because it is IMPOSSIBLE for your claim to have been true. The report the EU Commission press release was about was 'not public' (though the press release did make its conclusions public) and thus could not possibly have been 'your' report.

Seriously unhinged!

Indeed

[GreekIslandGirl]

You have NOTHING new to add. If your 'challenges' succeeded in countering my arguments, you would not be here once again re-starting the same stuff to have another "GO".

You are merely trying to obfuscate and look less mistaken than you were!

You are unable to contribute anything about the actions been put into practice to alleviate the problems at the external borders.

You are not contributing to what is HAPPENING in reality because it does NOT fit into what you predicted/lied about what WOULD happen to Greece.

Instead of accepting that things did not go YOUR way, you are now trying to thrash wildly and pin everything on what was 'recommended' by the EU or EC - as though YOU played NO part in the erroneous interpretations of intent at a solution to the TURKEY-CREATED CRISIS.

THIS thread is about what is happening NOW in resolving problems at the External Borders and you can add nothing because you are filled with hatred that the EU (despite your predictions and hopes) is rallying round Greece with extra assistance.

Stop TROLLING to make everything ABOUT YOU!