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[erolz66]

Between you and .....

When someone claims to have an evaluation report

No, I was quoting the evaluation document that your source was onerously debating ..... The evaluation I had - which is why I knew you were talking (your word) BOLLOCKS!

that the EU itself has officially and publically stated is not public (and still to this day is not public),

The draft report – which is not public – is based on unannounced site visits to the Greek-Turkish land border and to Chios and Samos conducted from 10 to 13 November 2015.

then you (anyone) know(s) that person is either mistaken or lying. When that same person then spends post after post after post over months denying they were mistaken when it is pointed out that they were and does so whilst screaming and shouting the person or persons point this out are 'liars', then the only reasonable conclusion one can draw, is they were lying and are committed to continuing to lie, all whilst trying to 'hide' their lies via unsupported ad hominem attacks against others who were not lying.

This is exactly what you did GiG. It is what you always do, what you have always done here for year after year after year.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Between you and .....

When someone claims to have an evaluation report

No, I was quoting the evaluation document that your source was onerously debating ..... The evaluation I had - which is why I knew you were talking (your word) BOLLOCKS!

that the EU itself has officially and publically stated is not public (and still to this day is not public),

The draft report – which is not public – is based on unannounced site visits to the Greek-Turkish land border and to Chios and Samos conducted from 10 to 13 November 2015.

then you (anyone) know(s) that person is either mistaken or lying.

Hello idiot number two. You have finally accepted what I told you back in January!

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Indeed it was you making claims from documents that I pointed out, to you, had not been made public.

Oh yeah? Because it actually states:

The draft report – which is not public – is based on unannounced site visits to the Greek-Turkish land border and to Chios and Samos conducted from 10 to 13 November 2015.

My evaluation document, that I was referring to, was public and I quoted from it here:

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But now you say it's not public? lol

Why do I bother - you are too stupid to take things in first time and you lie and twist and then when it sinks in you revise it as though you said and claimed something else!

[erolz66]

And so the lying goes go on and on and on. Nothing new there then.,

Hello idiot number two. You have finally accepted what I told you back in January!

My response from way back in January when you said this was

Classic GiG distortion. The draft report is not public - entirely correct. However the conclusions of that non public draft report ARE public, they became public as soon as the EU Commission issued a public press release stating what the conclusion of this non public draft report were.

'Finally accepted' - lol. You yet again show not only will you lie, you will do so in ways that it is easy to prove you have done so. It is a lie to claim I have just now 'finally accepted' the schengen evaluation report on Greece itself was not public. Anyone can see that such a claim is just a blatant lie on your part. I accepted this from the very first moment you tried to use this fact to distort and twist and falsify. As you are still tyring to do.

Indeed it was you making claims from documents that I pointed out, to you, had not been made public.

Same old lies, over and over and over. None of my claims were from the evaluation report on Greece itself, for it was not public, they were directly from the EU commissions own public document (press release) where they disclosed publicly what the CONCLUSIONS of THAT evaluation report, that was and is itself not in the public domain, were.

My evaluation document, that I was referring to, was public and I quoted from it here:

Exactly 'your' evaluation document, that was not and is not even an evaluation document but a bi-annual report and is public, could not possibly have been (your emphasis)

the evaluation document that your source was onerously debating

because my 'source' (The EU commission itself in their own public press release) explicitly stated that the evaluation document they were talking about (onerous debating as you put it) was 'not public'. Yet you tried then and have tried ever since to make out that THE evaluation document they were 'onerously debating' was YOUR evaluation document and not the one they were actually talking about, and from that first LIE, you then went on to make lie after lie after lie based on that first one (the evaluation report was more critical of Sweden, the evaluation report did not criticise Greece and on and on and on).

Why do I bother - you are too stupid to take things in first time and you lie and twist and then when it sinks in you revise it as though you said and claimed something else!

There is no getting around it GiG - the evidence is undeniable, though you will deny it none the less because that is what you do, what you have always done. You claimed

No, I was quoting the evaluation document that your source was onerously debating ..... The evaluation I had - which is why I knew you were talking (your word) BOLLOCKS!

could not have been true because 'my source' had said the document they were 'onerously debating' was not public. At best you were just plain wrong and at worst you were lying. There is no way out - none. Yet you will STILL continue to deny this plain undeniable reality, just as you have all the others, because that is what you do here on these forums, what you have always done here on these forums.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Sorry, but telling me 'this and that' now without showing me WHEN you are supposed to have had these 'enlightenments' (aka evidence) is just not good enough when I have supplied the link that disproves your above claim to have *known* that your lies were not backed by evidence as your supposed *claims* were in papers that were not in the public domain. Sure, once I showed you, you did accept and then *forgot* and now tried to make out you knew all along. I have posted the documents I had referred to above - hence - my claims were in the public domain.

Your claims are still ......a mystery!

Any nearer to finding where the "EU Commission" is "threatening sanctions against Greece" ? Idiot!

[erolz66]

It is just undeniable. It is simply impossible that 'your' evaluation report and the one 'my source' (the EU commission itself) was about ('onerously debating' as you put it) were one and the same. Just impossible - unless you want to claim that 'your' report was not public. There is no way out. None. When you said

No, I was quoting the evaluation document that your source was onerously debating ..... The evaluation I had - which is why I knew you were talking (your word) BOLLOCKS!

The only possible two option were - wrong or lying.

That you still, after all these month, 'keep digging' despite this undeniable reality, just proves what I have said so many times before. Reality just is of no interest to you at all if it gets in the way of your agenda.

Wrong or lying ? Which is it. There is NO other possibility.

[GreekIslandGirl]

My report was in the public domain and I posted extracts from it (plus the link).

You and stud refused to accept it. Denying what you don't like.

But the actions in place at the moment support me too - not you two.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Here it is again - very much accessible:

UNPRECEDENTED MIGRATORY PRESSURE 2.1. Migration flows at the external borders The numbers of irregular migrants and applicants for international protection arriving in the EU have increased dramatically. The number of irregular border crossings detected so far in 2015 (1 553 614)2 considerably exceeds the total number of irregular border crossings during the 2009-2014 period (813 044). Migrants have been entering via the three main routes where an absolute majority of all irregular EU border crossings were detected in January-November 2015: the eastern Mediterranean (716 202 detections), the Western Balkans (667 147) and the central Mediterranean (144 300). It should be noted however that part of the irregular
1 COM(2011) 561 final.
2 The data for January-October 2015 (1 284 549) is available from Frontex Risk Analysis Network (FRAN) and covers the Schengen area and Schengen candidate countries. It includes only the third country nationals detected at external borders (except temporary external borders) when entering or attempting to enter illegally between the border crossing points (BCPs). For November, the data originates from Joint Operations Reporting Application (JORA) and from the Croatian Ministry of Interior (http://www.mup.hr/219696.aspx); estimates have been used for routes where no data was yet available.
3
migrants that are detected on the Western Balkans route have already been counted once in the figures for the eastern Mediterranean route through Greece. Many of those arriving in the EU are fleeing conflicts in their region and therefore request international protection. Although the asylum legislation is not part of the Schengen acquis, it is obvious that the refugee crisis has significant consequences for the situation at the EU’s external borders and within the Schengen area. The dramatically increased number of arrivals has put the border control and asylum systems of the countries concerned under extreme pressure. In response to this situation, the Commission introduced the ‘hotspot’ approach, which provides a platform to allow the EU agencies to assist the frontline Member States in registering, screening and debriefing incoming migrants quickly, to help with the asylum procedures and to coordinate the return operations. Italy and Greece are the first two Member States where this approach is being implemented3. The Commission has also sent its own personnel to both Member States to provide practical coordination and support. The Migration Management Support Teams active at the 'hotspots' rely on the Member States' contributions via Frontex' and EASO's calls for experts and equipment in an appropriate manner.
Following the proposals of the Commission the Council in September has agreed on relocation of 160 000 applicants in clear need of international protection from Italy, Greece and possibly other Member States directly affected by the refugee crisis.4 Full implementation of the relocation mechanism, alongside the roll-out of 'hotspots', should alleviate the pressure on these countries. In addition to the ongoing Frontex joint operations — Triton (hosted by Italy) and Poseidon Sea (hosted by Greece), to which the financial allocation has been trippled to enable reinforcing their surveillance and rescue capacity — the EU launched a Common Security and Defence Policy operation in the southern central Mediterranean on 22 June. This operation aims specifically at disrupting the business model of human smuggling and trafficking networks.
Furthermore, Member States faced with a situation of urgent and exceptional pressure may request the assistance of the Rapid Border Intervention Teams (RABITs) provided in the Frontex Regulation. On 3 December, Greece submitted such a formal request to Frontex for the deployment of a Rapid Border Intervention Team operation to provide immediate border guard support at its external border in the Aegean islands. On 10 December Frontex took the necessary decisions to launch this operation and to immediately agree on the operational plan with the Greek Authorities within the same operational area as Poseidon Sea.

and

The conclusions of the two visits are currently being finalised at the expert level. The Commission will continue monitoring the situation closely, including the evolving situation at the border between Greece and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. The potential for this border to become a source of tension has been intensified including by the erection of border fencing as a border management tool, and the decision by the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to follow the decision of other countries and restrict passage on the grounds of nationality or the little engagement in bilateral border-related confidence building measures, although day-to-day contacts between the border administrations have improved. On 3 December an agreement was reached that Frontex will assist Greece with identification and registration of migrants at the border between Greece and the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

Any nearer to finding where it mentions "sanctions"?

[erolz66]

My report was in the public domain and I posted extracts from it (plus the link).

It is literally impossible that you were quoting from "the evaluation document that your source was onerously debating" and this was also the evaluation 'you had' - which is exactly what you claimed all those many months ago now. Wrong or lying. There is no other possibility.

This entire sorry three months of behaviour from you is no different in essence from that timeless situation between an adult/parent and a child, when the child has been seen by the adult taking a cookie from the cookie jar when they should not have and the child is confronted, that goes something like this.

Adult: What is that ?
Child (holding the cookie in one hand behind their back): What is what ?
Adult: That, there
Child: What ? Where ?
Adult: That there, in your hand, behind you back
(child puts out one empty hand)
Adult: No in the other hand, there
(child reluctantly puts out the hand holding the cookie)
Adult: That - what is it ?
Child: Nothing
Adult: No its not nothing, it is there in your hand. What is it ?
Child: Nothing

and on and on it goes. In fact to be a more accurate example of the essence of this latest farce with you GiG that passes for argument it would go something like this

Adult: What is that ?
Child (holding the cookie in one hand behind their back): What is what ?
Adult: That, there
Child: What ? Where ?
Adult: That there, in your hand, behind you back
(child puts out one empty hand)
Adult: No in the other hand, there
(child reluctantly puts out the hand holding the cookie)
Adult: That - what is it ?
Child: Nothing. You are just saying there is something there because you are a liar and you hate children.
Adult: No its not nothing, it is there in your hand. What is it ?
Child: You are a liar
Adult: I am not lying, it is there in your hand, plainly. Anyone can see it. What is it ?
Child: It's nothing, you are just twisting and distorting the truth by saying there is something there, you slime.
Adult: sigh
Child (some time later): See you were a liar, when you said there was something in my hand and there was not.
Adult: That is not true
Child: Liar
Adult: sigh
Child (some time later): See you were a liar, when you said there was something in my hand and there was not.

and on and on and on.

This is the essence of your months and months of an excuse for argument. From a 6 year old, understandable. We have all been that 6 year old (the first example). From an adult it is pathetic. It is embarrassing. I am embarrassed for you. Yet this is what you do here on these forums. It is what you have always done here on these forums.

[GreekIslandGirl]

My report was in the public domain and I posted extracts from it (plus the link).

It is literally impossible that you were quoting from "the evaluation document that your source was onerously debating" and this was also the evaluation 'you had' - which is exactly what you claimed all those many months ago now. Wrong or lying. There is no other possibility.

And yet, despite your disbelief, this is the document that is accessible from that original source. You just kept on, keep on, keeping on ignoring it because it doesn't fit your agenda! It recognizes the "UNPRECEDENTED MIGRATORY PRESSURE" of the "2.1. Migration flows at the external borders ...etc"

You just don't want anyone to think there is a Turkey-created crisis that Greece has had to pick up and solve!

[erolz66]

For over three months now, from the very start of this 'discussion' you have been wrong or lying GiG ? This is undeniable. It is provable and proven. Which is it ? Wrong or lying. There is no other possibility.

No, I was quoting the evaluation document that your source was onerously debating and from where you not only lifted quotes, but CREATED your own unique lies! The evaluation I had - which is why I knew you were talking (your word) BOLLOCKS!

Wrong or lying ? Months of being wrong or months of lying. Which is it GiG ?