GreekIslandGirl wrote:It's up to Greece to agree or disagree with how its borders are protected!
BUT it is a JOINT (EU, Frontex etc and now NATO) management effort to patrol the EU's external border which is geographically delineated by Greece's sovereign territory.
Your snippets don't even do justice to your warped interpretations.
You are the one with the warped interpretations, where you consistently seek to wilfully misrepresent and misconstrue my position, and the best you can do by way of argument is to engage in bland assertion or bald denial, coated with a layer of bile, but with not one supporting bit of verifiable evidence to counter the direct references and quotes we have provided, from official EU sources.
You misrepresented I had referred to a 2006 regulation, when I was quoting from the 2013 version, the consolidated version at that.
You then misrepresented that the 2013 regulations had been surpassed by 2016 regulations, but without producing one shred of credible evidence: The 2013 rules under 1051/2013 are the newest, and Laws do not run out simply because they are (three years) old unless they have a defined expiry mechanism in them.
Now if you want to discus the role of Frontex I suggest you look here at the consolidated regulations reflecting the most recent rules which are currently in force, though in the the light of the migrant crisis there are proposals in hand and due to be implemented which, when they come into effect will change the position.
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/home-affairs/e-library/documents/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/docs/frontex_regulation_consolidated_2011_en.pdfI have asked you to explain the mechanism and/or otherwise clarify the basis on which other member nations e.g. Belgium be involved in controlling Greece. Again you have failed to do so, simply repeated the same mantra. Same old, same old, that is what you do
Now I suggest you read the below and weep.
What does Frontex do specifically?
While operations are the most visible part of Frontex’s activities, the agency also covers other areas including:
risk analysis - analysing trends in unauthorised border crossings and various forms of cross-border crime;
rapid response - coordinating the short-term deployment of European Border Guard Teams at the request of Member States;
research and development - linking border control authorities with research organisations and industry;
training - developing harmonised curricula and training standards for border guards in all 28 EU countries
joint returns - coordinating joint repatriation flights of third country nationals between member countries;
Information sharing - enabling swift and reliable data exchange between border authorities.
Does Frontex have its own equipment and border guards?
No. Frontex does not have its own equipment. Instead, it relies on vessels, aircraft and other assets provided by various EU member states. Frontex reimburses the costs of fuel and basic maintenance of such equipment for the period of its deployment.
Does Frontex replace border control of the EU countries?
No. Frontex only provides additional technical assistance to EU countries that face an increased migratory pressure. All the means and border guards deployed by Frontex work under the command of the national authorities. For example, there is always a national officer from a host country present aboard every vessel, patrol plane or helicopter deployed by Frontex.
I am not going to quote the source, I suggest you look for it your self , but rest assured it is about as official and authoritative as any website can be, or will you try and tell Frontex they are wrong. It is however all accordance with this paragraph 4 quoted which is valid and unamended EU law, though other parts of EC2007/2004 have been changed, and this law will likely be replaced soon.
(4) The responsibility for the control and surveillance of external borders lies with the Member States. The Agency should facilitate the application of existing and future Community measures relating to the management of external borders by ensuring the coordination of Member States’ actions in the imple mentation of those measures.
I think that shows how badly you have misrepresented the role of Frontex, simply to try to direct blame away from that mythical lala land you call Greece, in case it punctures the bubble that forms your world view where Greece and Greeks as you see them can do no wrong. Sorry to say they can.
