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[erolz66]

One, because you have FAILED to find any such quoted threat,

Just repeating this over and over and over does not make it so. As pig headedly ignoring and dismissing the FACT that many many many other people as well as me have also found a basis on which it could be said. To say and do this once would be absurd. To keep saying and doing this over and over and over again as you are doing is the behaviour of a fanatic, in my opinion.

and two, because any *failures* to control the number of refugees at the external borders , by Greece, are NOT in breach of Schengen rules! There is NO obligation by Greece itself to stop refugees crossing the external borders!

And you just keep piling absurdity on distortion on absurdity. The behaviour of a true fanatic, in my opinion

Of course Greece ALONE is not solely responsible for all the external boarders of the entire Schengen area and to even suggest that anyone has said or implied as much is a straw man argument of epic proportions.

Greece is NOT Failing ANY obligations!

Once more you clearly show the sheer scale of your denial of absolute factual reality. The EU Commission has said that the Evaluation Report on Greece has concluded

that Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities.

That is a verbatim quote from the EU Commission's own press release from the EU commission's own web site.

Your claim is beyond absurd. It is clear, blatant shameless denial of actual truth.

It is NOT the job of Greece to control migrants and refugees!

More straw man arguments. The EU Commission has not said that their Evaluation report on Greece has concluded that Greece is failing to 'control migrants and refugees'. It has said exactly what it has said -

Whilst acknowledging that the Greek authorities are under pressure, the report notably finds that there is no effective identification and registration of irregular migrants and that fingerprints are not being systematically entered into the system and travel documents are not being systematically checked for the authenticity or against crucial security databases, such as SIS, Interpol and national databases.

These are exactly the specific obligations Greece has under the Schengen acquis, that the EU Commission evaluation report on Greece concludes are it's schengen obligations that it is "seriously neglecting".

You make and apparently think you can 'get away with' the patently absurd and ludicrous claims you make above and then call me a

... lying twisting little knave

I have used the word shameless a lot but I really have no better. Shameless.

Meanwhile, Frontex is still screaming to do its job of controlling the external borders?

To make out Frontex is solely responsible for controlling external boarders, such that individual member states have no obligations under Schengen acquis with regard to external boarders in their own countries, is just yet one more blatant and gross distortion of reality piled on all the others.

[GreekIslandGirl]

.... and dismissing the FACT that many many many other people as well as me have also found a basis on which it could be said.

So you have constructed some scenario in which an imaginary EU Commission could make your fantasy threats over Greece facing senseless sanctions seem factual simply on the basis for "could be said"!

Well done! That's as close as you've come to some self-awareness of how your lies are not based on fact but in constructing some drama in which they "could be said"!!!

As for the rest of your attempts to twist - I rest assured: Greece has NOT failed in its Schengen obligations!

[erolz66]

So you have constructed some scenario in which an imaginary EU Commission could make your fantasy threats over Greece facing senseless sanctions seem factual simply on the basis for "could be said"!

I have stated the fact that not just I but that countless others, posters here, large swathes of the Greek media, Greek ministers, Greekreporter.com, reports from Guardian, Financial Times, Independent, Irish Times, Cyprus Today, and on and on and on have all essentially made the same or similar claims all based on the same REAL EU Commission press release.

I state this fact in the face of your persistent and patently absurd claims that there is no basis what so ever in anything said by the EU Commission that could be the basis of such claims and that ALL of us have ALL decided to just completely make up this claim entirely out of thin air all at the same time.

Absurd.

Greece has NOT failed in its Schengen obligations!

And in evidence in support of this ridiculous and absurd claim you have provided the only evidence a fanatic needs. That YOU have said so.

Where as in evidence to support a counter claim that your claim is patently and obviously and clearly not true I have present the verbatim words of the EU Commission itself from their own press release as sourced from their own website where they say that the Schengen Evaluation report on Greece concludes that

Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities.

If your objective is to show how totally disconnected from reality you will present yourself as being in order to meet your propaganda needs, then you are doing a most excellent job.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Any failings are from Frontex. That's what's being pushed at Greece. Not expulsion, not sanctions. Just more *help*.

These checks are co-ordinated by the European Union's Frontex agency, and subject to common rules. The details of border controls, surveillance and the conditions under which permission to enter into the Schengen Area may be granted are exhaustively detailed in the Schengen Borders Code.

wiki


Article 12
Solidarity mechanisms
1. A Member State faced with a situation of urgent and exceptional pressure at its external border shall be able to request:
(a) the deployment of European Border Guard Teams in accordance with Article 8a of Regulation (EC) No 2007/2004 to provide rapid operational assistance to that Member State;
(b) the Agency for technical and operational assistance in accordance with Article 8 of Regulation (EC) No 2007/2004 in order to obtain assistance on matters of coordination between Members States and/or the deployment of experts to support the competent national authorities;
(c) emergency assistance under Article 14 of Regulation (EU) No 515/2014 of the European Parliament and of the Council ( 1 ) to address urgent and specific needs in the event of an emergency situation.
2. A Member State subject to strong migratory pressure which places urgent demands on its reception facilities and asylum systems shall be able to request:
(a) the European Asylum Support Office for the deployment of an asylum support team in accordance with Article 13 of Regulation (EU) No 439/2010 of the European Parliament and of the Council ( 2 ) to provide expertise, such as in relation to interpreting services, information on countries of origin and knowledge of the handling and management of asylum cases;
(b) emergency assistance under Article 21 of Regulation (EU) No 516/2014 of the European Parliament and of the Council ( 3 ) to address urgent and specific needs in the event of an emergency situation.

[erolz66]

Any failings are from Frontex. That's what's being pushed at Greece. Not expulsion, not sanctions. Just more *help*.

Abject and blatant denial of reality. Nothing new there. Same old same old. It is almost like you carry your denial of of reality as a badge of honour, as if it is something that it is 'perfectly normal' for a person to do if they love their country and or some other country. Almost like you unaware how it makes you appear as a radical fanatic divorced from reality.

And for the record there is no provision within the Schengen Acquis as it currently stands for a member to be expelled from Schengen, just provision that could lead to temporary suspension. So yet another 'straw man' through in there for good measure along with all the others.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Who is responsible for the external borders:

FRONTEX - Legal Basis:

LEGAL BASIS
The European Agency for the Management of Operational Cooperation at the External Borders of the Member States of the European Union was established by Council Regulation (EC) 2007/2004 (26.10.2004, OJ L 349/25.11.2004) having regard to the Treaty establishing the European Community.

This Regulation was later amended by the Regulation (EC) No 863/2007 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 11 July 2007 establishing a mechanism for the creation of Rapid Border Intervention Teams and amending Council Regulation (EC) No 2007/2004 as regards that mechanism and regulating the tasks and powers of guest officers. It was last amended by the Regulation (EU) No 1168/2011 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 25 October 2011 amending Council Regulation (EC) No 2007/2004 establishing a European Agency for the Management of Operational Cooperation at the External Borders of the Member States of the European Union.

In addition, Regulation (EU) No 1052/2013 of 22 October 2013, establishing the European Border Surveillance System (Eurosur), specifies “a common framework for the exchange of information and for the cooperation between Member States and the [Frontex] Agency in order to improve situational awareness and to increase reaction capability at the external borders of the Member States of the Union (‘external borders’) for the purpose of detecting, preventing and combating illegal immigration and cross-border crime and contributing to ensuring the protection and saving the lives of migrants (‘EUROSUR)”.

The seat of the agency is Warsaw, Poland, as decided by 2005/358/EC: Council Decision of 26 April 2005 designating the seat of the European Agency for the Management of Operational Cooperation at the External Borders of the Member States of the European Union.

[GreekIslandGirl]

And for the record there is no provision within the Schengen Acquis as it currently stands for a member to be expelled from Schengen,

Finally, an admission.

Slowly coming round to the absurdities of your claims!

Greece threatened with expulsion from Schengen over migration crisis...

I think this has been an example of *Guided Discovery* for erolz!

[erolz66]

Who is responsible for the external borders:

FRONTEX - Legal Basis:

To claim that frontex and only frontex are responsible for external boarders and individual members have no responsibilities with regard to external boarders in their own territory at all, is just yet one more patently absurd made up fantasy from you, divorced from any actual reality at all.

[GreekIslandGirl]

In the words of our mutual friend, GR!, it's time for you to donate your PC to some other monkey.

And for the record there is no provision within the Schengen Acquis as it currently stands for a member to be expelled from Schengen ....

[erolz66]

Finally, an admission.

Slowly coming round to the absurdities of your claims!

The above needs no 'defense' from me, your downright intellectual dishonesty that above shows speaks volumes just and is obvious without any need for explanation from me. Just like the sheer shameless intellectual dishonesty in

Greece threatened with expulsion from Schengen over migration crisis...

When the actual quote as I made it was

Cyprus mail reporting "Greece threatened with expulsion from Schengen over migration crisis"

This is EAXCTLY the kind of pathetic will full manipulative twisting and distortion of truth that characterises your systematic behaviour here on these forums for all these years. To edit a quote of me quoting a Cyprus Mail report to try and make it look like it was me that said it - classic GiG/Oracle behaviour. Pathetic, shameless, intellectually dishonest, intellectually bankrupt and frankly disgusting behaviour. Same old same old then.