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[B25]

...Schnauzer, what a joke; he votes, lol.

You can count the jokers of the forum one by one by just looking at who voted.
Even Lordo who is supposed to abstain from any forum activity fell in the trap

Does that also include the jokers who bothered to post on this thread??

There is no (willing or unwilling) trap in the discussion.
However there are 2 in the poll. One concerns the options themselves and the other the fact that it's not anonymous.
Just admit it, you voted without reading the warning in your hastiness to vote against someone, just like lordo did.

I didn't care that I showed up in the vote. I voted as I saw fit. Errol is out to destroy the GCs and anything Greek, simple.

He is a turk propagandist.

[supporttheunderdog]

Here is a direct quote from the Official eu press release

The Eighth bi-annual report on the functioning of the Schengen area of 15 December 2015 already announced that, depending on the results of the Schengen evaluations in Greece, specific measures as referred to in Article 19a and 26 of the Schengen Borders Code may be recommended.

That is the clearest warning there can be that action would be taken against Greece, if in violation, as the assessment reported in the press release showed was the case.

Now you can try squirming all you like but in an Official EU press release you have it all.

I note also your usual diversionary tactics, in this case in bringing in other countries.

[supporttheunderdog]

The poll by the way is a complete trollish joke, with a pathetic question. I far prefer Errolz's poll which had real choice.

[erolz66]

One has to wonder why if there was no criticism or threat that the Greek press is so vociferous in its response.

Many countries were criticised. Sweden worse than Greece. Have a look at the evaluation report.

But what was under discussion was that Erolz claimed the EU Commission had threatened Greece with sanctions. This they did not do! Check it!

Here we go again.

You can argue about what constitutes a threat till the cows come home. I think that an EU Commission press release that says Greece had been found in a draft evaluation to be deficient and then goes on to specifically state that members found in such evaluations to be deficient can be suspended from Schengen for up to 2 years if they fail to rectify such deficiencies within 3 months represents a threat, as did much of the worlds media as well. However this is not the point.

The point is simply arguing over what is or is not a threat was not enough for a fanatic like you GiG. You had to also try and make out that in fact Greece was not even criticised by the EU Commission or as you do here make out that Sweden was criticised more by using an entirely different earlier evaluation report than the one cited in the Commission's own press release and ignoring entirely the one that EU Commission was talking about in its press release as if it just does not exist at all. This kind of blanket denial of actual reality is exactly the kind of suspension of rationality that marks you behaviour here as fanatical. As is your assertion that there was no basis what so ever one which anyone could claim that Greece had been threatened.

[GreekIslandGirl]

That is the clearest warning there can be that action would be taken against Greece.

That is a general comment on some procedure and was NOT a threat to Greece as in fact the evaluation recommends more Frontex and not punishments. That is what is happening. Greece is receiving more Frontex help (not enough, but some more)

In fact in light of the evaluations some other countries already took self-imposed border controls effectively taking themselves out of Schengen.

So why don't you think about why there are discrepancies in what the media makes out of it and what is ACTUALLY happening?

That's why claims made by the likes of Erolz are so dangerous to the truth - they lead idiots like you to go on and on regardless of the facts. Like you, he stuck to some stupid notion and extrapolated it to sanctions, which is entirely unsustainable.

[GreekIslandGirl]

In fact - here is an update report of the EU Commission trying to stop those MEDIA rumours spread by the likes of Erolz and STUD:

Today, EU officials felt the apparent need to clarify the situation over the so-called deficiencies in Greek border checks in order to put to rest the outrageous exaggerations made by Greek media outlets over the future of Greece in the Schengen zone.

A European Commission source explained that the report in question had identified certain problems in the handling of refugees by Greek authorities last November, but that the situation had improved markedly since then, although more improvements were still needed.

The same source also mocked Greek media’s expulsion exaggerations by saying that people seem to forget that Greece has “no land borders with the rest of the Schengen area.”

Greekreporter.com/2016/01/29/

[GreekIslandGirl]

Seeing NO truth to the lies spread by the likes of Erolz and media wanting to sell panic-inducing stories, reality is proving ALL of them wrong as there have been NO moves to expel Greece, only offers of (some) help, and for once the EU has come out to set the record straight, as above.

Now the media is seeing some sense and the atmosphere is changing.

On the rumours of expelling Greece:

The idea is not only inhumane and a gross violation of basic European principles; it also would prove vastly more costly than the alternative – a truly common EU policy that quells the chaos of the past year.

Six countries have already reimposed border controls, and the European commission is preparing to allow them, and presumably others, to do the same for two years.

The Guardian

This is all they could do, some selfish countries re-imposing border controls so that they do not have to take in migrants.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The lies spread by the likes of Erolz and STUD continue to be quashed:

2nd February 2016
Greek government spokeswoman Olga Gerovassili stressed that "the question of Greece withdrawing from the Schengen accords has never been posed" at an EU level.

"Greece has fulfilled its European obligations, despite the great difficulties involved," she insisted, adding that this had been "clearly recognised" on the margins of an EU-Turkey summit on Sunday.

Several European sources in Brussels also denied that Athens had received any Schengen threats from the EU institutions, while admitting that some capitals were less than happy.

YahooNews

[erolz66]

In fact - here is an update report of the EU Commission trying to stop those MEDIA rumours spread by the likes of Erolz and STUD:

So today a single media report from greekreporter.com citing unnamed "EU officials", screamed in bold oversized text as ever, represents, for you at least, absolute truth as to what the EU Commission said about Greece's implementation of it's Schengen obligations and if they threatened it with sanctions or not.

Yesterday reports from the same media outlet and countless others besides you just dismissed totally out of hand as "spreading propaganda", as you did with the actual EU Commission press release itself as being from a 'discussion site'. Stating things like "Who gives a monkey's which *world press* reports you choose to pick as evidence to support your propaganda!". Clearly you 'give a monkey's' but only when it suits, when not you do not.

This is the behaviour of a fanatic.

As to why EU officials would (allegedly) see any need to clarify things if your earlier claims that I had single handedly completely made the assertion up, with there being no factual basis for it what so ever, well that remains just one more mystery that only a fanatic could ignore.

[supporttheunderdog]

The lies spread by the likes of Erolz and STUD continue to be quashed:

2nd February 2016
Greek government spokeswoman Olga Gerovassili stressed that "the question of Greece withdrawing from the Schengen accords has never been posed" at an EU level.

"Greece has fulfilled its European obligations, despite the great difficulties involved," she insisted, adding that this had been "clearly recognised" on the margins of an EU-Turkey summit on Sunday.

Several European sources in Brussels also denied that Athens had received any Schengen threats from the EU institutions, while admitting that some capitals were less than happy.

YahooNews

The hypocracy of gIGgle knows no bounds, as she crticises eg the treatement by eg Sweden of migrants, but is happy to say "Amen" to the words of a Greek Politician who wanted to send such migrants back home....