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[B25]

Rape is one of the worst crimes i also condemn rape and sexual assault whoever commits it but in Islamic countries there is a true rape and assault culture and women and children are second class citizens.

That is simply not true. There are many countries where women are effectively second class citizens but to make out that in any country in which the predominant religion is Islam this is the case and those that are not Islamic it is not, is to just ignore factual reality in order to suit and meet the needs of your own pre determined prejudices. There are Islamic countries where women are effectively second class citizens and there are Islamic countries where they are not. There are non Islamic countries where women are second class citizens and there are non Islamic countries where they are not.

Your real agenda here is not condemning the act of rape and sexual assault or to seek to look objectively at factors that can make such acts more likely and frequent. Your real agenda is clearly to try and ascribe such acts to entire cultures and religions and by extension exonerate and ignore such acts in others to suit your own pre defined prejudices, regardless of actual evidence. Nothing new there than for you or this forum in general.

So tell us in which non muslim country, women are stoned, whipped in public because they stood near another male not their husband, honour killings to name but a few.

You can word wizard all you like, at the end of the day, the muslim culture is a cancer, period.

[erolz66]

So tell us in which non muslim country, women are stoned, whipped in public because they stood near another male not their husband, honour killings to name but a few.

You can word wizard all you like, at the end of the day, the muslim culture is a cancer, period.

What would be the point in presenting any actual evidence to you B25 ? You have no interest what so ever in actual facts and reality. All you have is your own prejudice that clearly over-rides actual reality. Only a fanatical bigot could seriously suggest that 'all ills' in the world currently are committed by Muslims and only Muslims, that all terrorist are Muslims, that all rapes in mainland Europe are committed by Muslims only. Such claims are patently not actually true - they are just the rants of a fanatical bigot - which is what you are and as such that makes you in my view a dam sight closer to those fanatics in groups like ISIS than someone like me could ever be.

However is you want some examples of non Muslim countries where the rights of women are seriously lacking they are not hard to find. Here is a few to get you started. Ethiopia, India, Guatemala, Democratic Republic of the Congo.

As I say though, facts are of no relevance or interest to you. For you all that matters is your bigoted belief. So like the above it will not matter to you that according to the FBI - who presumably have a better insight and knowledge of such things than you do, between 1980 and 2005 94% of all acts classed as terrorist attacks in the USA were committed by non Muslims. Just as the statistical facts from Europol are of no interest to you either, showing that between 2009 and 2013 less than 2% of all acts committed in Europe and classed as terrorist acts were 'religiously motivated' (and that is ANY religion).

The truth is simply irrelevant to you B25. A classic trait of a fanatic. Your belief that Islam and therefore Muslims (all of them) are 'the cancer of the planet' is simply not born out by actual factual evidence, so what you do in the face of that is simply ignore and deny actual factual evidence as if it just did not exist. That is the behaviour of a fanatic.

[repulsewarrior]

nice post erolz.

[GreekIslandGirl]

What would be the point in presenting any actual evidence to you B25 ?

Yes, don't bother. Evidence is not your strong-point.

[B25]

So tell us in which non muslim country, women are stoned, whipped in public because they stood near another male not their husband, honour killings to name but a few.

You can word wizard all you like, at the end of the day, the muslim culture is a cancer, period.

However is you want some examples of non Muslim countries where the rights of women are seriously lacking they are not hard to find. Here is a few to get you started. Ethiopia, India, Guatemala, Democratic Republic of the Congo.

Yeah, ok the dregs of what you call a country, ok, you win. Feel better now.

[erolz66]

... ok, you win. Feel better now.

Not really for you will not change. You will still continue to chose to believe in bigotry and divisive ideologies, not because of actual evidence but despite it because that is what you WANT to believe. You WANT to believe that rape and sexual assault in Europe is perpetrated only by Muslims and ignore the fact that this is simply not true, and ignore, to give one example, the cases of such acts being committed by Priests and the history of this having been systematically covered up by the church in case after case. You WANT to believe that a person is statistically more likely to be the victim of sexual assault in Cologne at the hands of a Muslim Syrian refugee than they are to be the victim of such an assault in Ayia Nappa, not because there is evidence that shows or suggests this is true but because that is what you WANT to believe. In short you WANT Muslims to be the 'cancer of the planet' and the source of all the worlds ills so you just believe they are regardless and independent of actual reality and then go and try publicly and profess this as 'truth' on forums such as these.

You look at the world and you see one problem, one root of all the worlds ills - Muslims. I look at the world and I see things like 'the richest 62 people on earth now have the same wealth as the poorest 3.6 billion, according to a report from Oxfam.' Of course to you this is not even something to contemplate as being a problem and getting worse year on year with the world today - for it is not easy to put the blame for this ever increasing obscene level of inequality on 'Muslims'. I see a modern world still addicted to literally burning up natural resources in 10's or 100's of years that took 100's of millions of years to store up and I worry. Still no need for you to worry because again that is not so easy to blame that on the Muslims is it ? I see reports that today there may well be more plastic than plankton in pacific ocean and I fear for my niece's and nephew's future and for the generations to come after them. You have no need to clutter your head with such worries though do you B25 - 'all the worlds ills are down to Muslims' is so much easier and simpler to believe isn't it - so hey just believe it anyway and forget reality.

[repulsewarrior]

@erolz, hard to read, too many words and opinions, compared to the post before, facts based.

...sorry if i'm interrupting.

[erolz66]

@erolz, hard to read, too many words and opinions, compared to the post before, facts based.

That is quite rich and possibly complimentary coming from you RW, given that with the possible exception of tsukoui a considerable number of your own posts here have left me scratching my head and totally bemused as far as understanding what it was you were actually trying to convey

[repulsewarrior]

@erolz, hard to read, too many words and opinions, compared to the post before, facts based.

That is quite rich and possibly complimentary coming from you RW, given that with the possible exception of tsukoui a considerable number of your own posts here have left me scratching my head and totally bemused as far as understanding what it was you were actually trying to convey

...indeed, i have taken your criticism to heart; you have made me a better person, a better writer. I am not shy to say it, i should be as honest in Goodwill: i feel you are my friend.

tsuk as writers go has a long way more, but he is on to something, and i'm rooting for him.

cheers!

[repulsewarrior]

...to get back to the topic.

Indeed there is a choice to be made. The war which is evolving is a matter of choice, there are two sides which will fight regardless. In essence for the conquest of Islam, whether it is Sunni, or Shia, in nature, where one rules, supreme. So it appears. And so, we, not Muslim must decide, if there are in these spheres, people who by benefiting from our help benefit the rest of us accordingly.