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[cyprusgrump]

I saw the tables, and they prove what I have been saying all along.

Nitrox allows divers to stay down at deeper depths and for longer periods.

Cyprus mail claimed that the 95 year old diver was at 41m for 44 minutes. This can't even be achieved with a 40% Oxygen Nitrox mix according to the tables.

You are completely wrong as the two tables show!

Max depth for Air 140 feet. Max depth for Nitrox 110 feet. You claim from the start that he would need to use Nitrox at that depth? BUSTED!

[cyprusgrump]

Here, from the same Wiki article...

Oxygen toxicity
Diving with and handling nitrox raise a number of potentially fatal dangers due to the high partial pressure of oxygen (ppO2).[2][3] Nitrox is not a deep-diving gas mixture owing to the increased proportion of oxygen, which becomes toxic when breathed at high pressure. For example, the maximum operating depth of nitrox with 36% oxygen, a popular recreational diving mix, is 29 metres (95 ft) to ensure a maximum ppO2 of no more than 1.4 bar (140 kPa).

Which backs up what I have been saying from the start... if only you'd listened eh...?

[cyprusgrump]

Oh look, the author of the article is Bejay Browne...

Is he The Cyprus Mail’s diving specialist who should be held to account? Let’s check his other recent articles to see what his specialism is…

Paphos embraces European sports week
Restaurant review: Maharaja Indian Restaurant, Paphos
More hotels open for winter tourism in Paphos
Bar review: Alea café lounge bar
The woman with wondrous hands
Vegetation to be cleared after Polis fire
Council repairs roads after Sapa refuses to pay
Etc.

So there we have it, a general hack that obviously miss-interpreted a press release about the dive as I said from the start.

And it seems it is only you that is confused by it.

[Paphitis]

I saw the tables, and they prove what I have been saying all along.

Nitrox allows divers to stay down at deeper depths and for longer periods.

Cyprus mail claimed that the 95 year old diver was at 41m for 44 minutes. This can't even be achieved with a 40% Oxygen Nitrox mix according to the tables.

You are completely wrong as the two tables show!

Max depth for Air 140 feet. Max depth for Nitrox 110 feet. You claim from the start that he would need to use Nitrox at that depth? BUSTED!

The Nitrox tables show 130 feat and if you look at the times, it clearly shows that you can spend more time at depth with Nitrox than with compressed air.

Well, that is the whole purpose of Nitrox.

[Paphitis]

Oh look, the author of the article is Bejay Browne...

Is he The Cyprus Mail’s diving specialist who should be held to account? Let’s check his other recent articles to see what his specialism is…

Paphos embraces European sports week
Restaurant review: Maharaja Indian Restaurant, Paphos
More hotels open for winter tourism in Paphos
Bar review: Alea café lounge bar
The woman with wondrous hands
Vegetation to be cleared after Polis fire
Council repairs roads after Sapa refuses to pay
Etc.

So there we have it, a general hack that obviously miss-interpreted a press release about the dive as I said from the start.

And it seems it is only you that is confused by it.

Well judging by that repertoire, he sounds like an even bigger idiot now.

Not only did he write utter nonsense in this dive article, but the guy just writes tabloid shit!

[cyprusgrump]

I saw the tables, and they prove what I have been saying all along.

Nitrox allows divers to stay down at deeper depths and for longer periods.

Cyprus mail claimed that the 95 year old diver was at 41m for 44 minutes. This can't even be achieved with a 40% Oxygen Nitrox mix according to the tables.

You are completely wrong as the two tables show!

Max depth for Air 140 feet. Max depth for Nitrox 110 feet. You claim from the start that he would need to use Nitrox at that depth? BUSTED!

The Nitrox tables show 130 feat and if you look at the times, it clearly shows that you can spend more time at depth with Nitrox than with compressed air.

Well, that is the whole purpose of Nitrox.

No, it doesn't show that at all...

You really do have limited comprehension capabilities don't you...?

Read the bit on the chart where is says 'Contingency Planning Only'.

Maximum depth from the tables with safety stop is 110 feet on EAN32 and 90 feet on EAN36. The equivalent air depth is 140 feet. 140 feet is deeper than 110 feet.

Now read the bit in my post above...

Oxygen toxicity
Diving with and handling nitrox raise a number of potentially fatal dangers due to the high partial pressure of oxygen (ppO2).[2][3] Nitrox is not a deep-diving gas mixture owing to the increased proportion of oxygen, which becomes toxic when breathed at high pressure. For example, the maximum operating depth of nitrox with 36% oxygen, a popular recreational diving mix, is 29 metres (95 ft) to ensure a maximum ppO2 of no more than 1.4 bar (140 kPa).

Of course you can stay at shallower depths for longer with Nitrox but Nitrox is not a deep-diving gas mixture! That is why you have to show a Nitrox certificate when you go to get a tank refilled. It is potentially fatal to dive at depth with Nitrox.

The advice you have consistently given throughout this debate that divers should use Nitrox when deep diving is more dangerous - potentially fatal - than the information given in the Cyprus Mail article.

You are completely, utterly wrong on this subject, I have proved it, I have shown you the relevant information that Nitrox is not a deep-diving gas mixture, I have produced the dive tables that clearly show you can dive deeper with air (140 feet) than with Nitrox (110 feet).

Why won't you just admit you were wrong on your original assertion that he should have used Nitrox and you've been giving inaccurate and dangerous information every time you have mentioned the gas?

[Paphitis]

Look I don't care Cyprus Grump. I have never dived with Nitrox ever, nor been trained so my understanding is basic stuff from the limited exposure I have had with it.

All I know is that as a diver, its friggin impossible for this 95 year old to have spent 44 minutes at 41 m. He would have been in dire straights and I called out the article for the bullshit it was because if they get facts like this wrong then as far as I am concerned the entire article also lacks credibility.

No disrespect to the 95 year old. Whatever depth he went down to, is an achievement he should be proud of, especially at his age.

First of all, I would love to make it to 95 let alone still be diving at 95.

[cyprusgrump]

Look I don't care Cyprus Grump. I have never dived with Nitrox ever, nor been trained so my understanding is basic stuff from the limited exposure I have had with it.

All I know is that as a diver, its friggin impossible for this 95 year old to have spent 44 minutes at 41 m. He would have been in dire straights and I called out the article for the bullshit it was because if they get facts like this wrong then as far as I am concerned the entire article also lacks credibility.

No disrespect to the 95 year old. Whatever depth he went down to, is an achievement he should be proud of, especially at his age.

First of all, I would love to make it to 95 let alone still be diving at 95.

At last!

You finally admit that when you posted this: -

Well it's very odd there Cap because they are claiming 41m. He would have needed a special Nitrox mix to pull that off and at this man's age it would be bordering on insanity.

Without the Nitrox mix, his blood would have the effervescence of a Coca Cola drink and he would either be in a decompression chamber or dead.

It was utter bullshit as you know nothing whatsoever about diving with Nitrox!

You finally accept that Nitrox would be completely unsuitable (in fact dangerous) as I have been saying all along.

It took you pages of arguing otherwise but well done, it must be cathartic for you to get that off your shoulders!

Now you can get back to arguing about 'Pootin' and your military capabilities and I can get back to not bothering to log-in to the forum every day.

Win-win!

[Paphitis]

No! What is it that is so hard for you to comprehend.

I stand by my original statement. Every word of it.

The article is literally a load of bullshit! It made onerous bullshit claims and it was rightfully called out on it, not just by me but others as well.

Quite frankly, I’m amazed that the 95 yo is still alive to tell us all about his remarkably unbelievable achievement as described by The Cyprus Mail.

[cyprusgrump]

No! What is it that is so hard for you to comprehend.

I stand by my original statement. Every word of it.

The article is literally a load of bullshit! It made onerous bullshit claims and it was rightfully called out on it, not just by me but others as well.

Quite frankly, I’m amazed that the 95 yo is still alive to tell us all about his remarkably unbelievable achievement as described by The Cyprus Mail.

Well, then you must be a lunatic!

Although to be honest, from reading some of your other posts I had suspected that for some time…

Here, put simply are the reasons you are clearly mentally challenged.

1) Nitrox is not a deep-diving gas mixture!

As I have repeatedly pointed out, Nitrox would have been unsuitable for this dive.

41m = 134 feet. Maximum depth on Nitrox = 110 feet.

And yet you say you ‘I stand by my original statement. Every word of it.’

Well it's very odd there Cap because they are claiming 41m. He would have needed a special Nitrox mix to pull that off and at this man's age it would be bordering on insanity.

So you stand by this statement which has been repeatedly proven to be wrong, which PADI tables show to be wrong, which Wiki shows to be wrong…?

You said in an earlier post that it would be 'dangerous to exceed the rules' yet here you are again, and again, and again insisting that the correct technique for this dive is to break the rules!

2) The article is poorly edited.

The dive team clearly didn’t claim that he stayed for 44 minutes at 41m. They issued a press release about the event and other (more knowledgeable) outlets presented it correctly.

The guy in the Cyprus Mail made a mistake undoubtedly but he is a hack normally used to restaurant and hotel reviews. He didn’t make ‘bullshit claims’, he conflated dive time with bottom time.

It is you, and you alone that has not managed to realise what has happened here. Even the ‘others’ that you bizarrely believe to have ‘called him out on it’ didn’t do so, the guy made a humorous remark about the mistake.

Standing by your original statement after it has been totally and repeatedly debunked makes you a delusional dogmatist who simply won’t believe facts when presented to him.

I’m happy to keep on arguing these points but be aware, the facts are on my side and each time you post you merely embarrass yourself more than you have already.