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[kurupetos]

cyprusgrump, you are Ray Woolley! You are both divers, both British, both living in Cyprus, both extremely old, and the day this record dive was set was September 1st, the day that you celebrated your 13th anniversary as a member of the Cyprus Forum! All these couldn't possibly be coincidences!

Well, there are some amazing coincidences there but I'm not quite as 'extremely' old as Ray Wooly!

You have to admire him, it would be great to be as fit and healthy as him if/when I finally get there...

Next year?

[cyprusgrump]

Well, there are some amazing coincidences there but I'm not quite as 'extremely' old as Ray Wooly!

You have to admire him, it would be great to be as fit and healthy as him if/when I finally get there...

Next year?

No quite... Not until 2055 in fact!

[Paphitis]

Oh no you don't! I have done diving alright and am well familiar with descending and the ascend and decompression stops at 10m and 5m and so on.

But the article said, he was at 41m for 44 minutes. That is pretty fucking clear cut to me.

Most people reading that article would not know anything about diving. Therefore, 99% of people will take this as literal. I who have dived take it literal. I do not leave anything up for any interpretation in things like diving, flying planes or jumping out of them and so on.

Everything has to be concise and clear and media need to cater to the lowest common denominator, in this case being people who do not dive and who know nothing about diving. How do we know that this article causes a half baked "diver" to try this without the right training and without a buddy or spare oxygen and who don't even know how to interpret the tables to try it?

I'm PADI accredited. I am not an expert diver by any means. I dived for fun and recreation, not as a professional, but I do know bullshit when I read it. I do not know anything about BSAC acreditation because I am not accredited under that body, but I doubt there will be any huge difference to the fundamentals.

No need for the swearing potty mouth!

Look you’ve embarrassed yourself by showing a complete lack of knowledge about diving but posting as though you are an expert. You’ve done it again on this post with the laughable mention of taking ‘spare Oxygen’. I wouldn’t buddy with you and I doubt if any other qualified diver would be keen either.

Now you’re trying to divert attention to the article. Really?

I agree it is ambiguous but guess what, it is the Cyprus Mail. Do you think they have a diving expert on hand to write articles about diving? Do you think they have a team of ‘experts’ available when an article comes in about food, driving or anything else?

I can tell you what probably happened; they got a press release with a nice photo and decided to use it. A junior editor then hacked it about, probably deleted a load of stuff he didn’t understand (like bottom time, deco times, etc.) so it wasn’t too long and bang, it went to pixel. That is how it works – you can spot complete howlers in the mainstream press all the time.

But most (sensible) people realise that and therefore don’t rush off to the beach with their tank of Oxygen under their arm and their flippers and goggles! Most people won’t understand (or care) what the implications of 44mins at 41m are – they’ll be thinking, “Wow, what an amazing guy! I hope I can be as fit as him at his age!”, which is really what the point of the article was…

And BTW, there is a huge difference between PADI and BSAC accreditation.

Everything has to be concise and clear and media need to cater to the lowest common denominator, in this case being people who do not dive and who know nothing about diving.

In which case, why did you post complete, utter bullshit about Nitrox when you clearly have no understanding of what it is or what it is used for?

I beg to differ.

The media have a responsibility to verify the facts and not publish total nonsense. The article is very clear cut and isn't open to any interpretetation at all. I agree, most people would take it as gosple, like everything else, but it isn't the first time the media publish total nonsense, and you're are right, we are talking about The Cyprus Mail.

But other international media, whilst not as trashy as Cyprus Mail, do not fare that much better at times.

Why don't you explain to me what the difference is between PADI and BSAC? I really don't know what the differences are. As far as I am conserved, they are just 2 different diving bodies, but PADI is the more global outfit since they seem to be everywhere.

I was never a professional diver, but I am an accredited diver. I also know that spending 44 minutes over 38 m of depth isn't an incredibly bright thing to do and I would not be game enough to play Russian Roullette on normal oxygen tanks or without the proper training and yet this 95 year old has done just that according to Cyprus mail.

Also, please read the comments below the article. It seems there are others who like me have called this article out for the BULLSHIT it is.

44 meters is 5.4 atmospheres of pressure. I think you in your bravado are belittling what is an extremely unsafe thing to do.

I have a PADI Advance Diving ticket which allows me to go down to 38m. Sure I can break the rules and go deeper, but what happens if I hurt myself? This guy apparently went down to 44m which is something PADI do not allow without a special Nitrox Mix which you need extra training to do.

[Paphitis]

According to the PADI tables, a diver can not spend more than 8 minutes at 42 m but it is also dependent on your pressure group if you have done another dive beforehand due to the accumulation of nitrogen in our bodies.

Which probably means only 9 minutes at 41 m. PADI do not advise going more than 42 m with normal tanks, on a normal advance ticket without specialist Nitrox Training. I correct my position of saying it was 38 m. An Advance ticket permits 42 m.

But according to the Cyprus mail, a 95 year old spent 44 minutes at 41 m. Yeh and I'm Santa Claus!

Read it and weep Cyprusgrump.

BTW, I've done some pretty daredevil stuff in my life, but mess around with "The Tables" is not one of them. I have swum with Sharks, lots of Sharks.

[cyprusgrump]

Quite remarkable!

You have the world of information at your fingertips via the interwebz yet you post on here to prove you haven’t bothered to access any of it!

Why don't you explain to me what the difference is between PADI and BSAC? I really don't know what the differences are. As far as I am conserved, they are just 2 different diving bodies, but PADI is the more global outfit since they seem to be everywhere.

Look it up yourself… It is often joked that PADI stands for Pay And Dive Immediately (or Pay Another Dollar In). Look up BSAC and see how quickly they will let you get in the water.

I was never a professional diver, but I am an accredited diver. I also know that spending 44 minutes over 38 m of depth isn't an incredibly bright thing to do and I would not be game enough to play Russian Roullette on normal oxygen tanks or without the proper training and yet this 95 year old has done just that according to Cyprus mail.

Once again, you show your ignorance of diving. ‘oxygen tanks’ really? How many times do I have to tell you that we don’t dive with Oxygen as it is poisonous at depth. Compressed air is all you need for recreational diving. Also, the guy has been diving all of his life and was clearly trained for this second record attempt.

Surely, anybody that has actually dived at all would be able to understand that this was a poorly written or edited article and the dive was actually to 41m with a total dive time of 44mins.

Also, please read the comments below the article. It seems there are others who like me have called this article out for the BULLSHIT it is.

What, you mean the two comments? One congratulates him on his dive and the other makes a clearly humorous dig at the 41m/44mins ambiguity in the article.

MMmm 40.6 metres for how long? 44 minutes. He must have spent a week in decompression! No wonder he looks so happy to have come up without exploding! (Well Done Mr Woolley, I know, its difficult to read "The Tables" at 95!)

So on balance, the only person frothing at the mouth over the article appears to be you!

44 meters is 5.4 atmospheres of pressure. I think you in your bravado are belittling what is an extremely unsafe thing to do.

He didn’t go to 44m. Do you think he dug a 3m hole at the bottom and swam into it?

I have a PADI Advance Diving ticket which allows me to go down to 38m. Sure I can break the rules and go deeper, but what happens if I hurt myself? This guy apparently went down to 44m which is something PADI do not allow without a special Nitrox Mix which you need extra training to do.

Then you should be ashamed of yourself for posting such ignorant comments about diving. As I have explained before, Nitrox is NOT used to extend the depth. It is used for longer dives or shorter deco at shallower depths. Look at the Nitrox dive tables on line and compare it to the normal air (NOT Oxygen) tables!

BTW was a PADI DiveMaster, I had Deep, Rescue, Wreck, Night, Photography and Nitrox qualifications. You really have no need to explain pressure groups, dive tables, Nitrogen accumulation or anything else you found on the Interwebz to me. I used to lead weekly dives on the Zenobia for the local dive school.

Which probably means only 9 minutes at 41 m. PADI do not advise going more than 42 m with normal tanks, on a normal advance ticket without specialist Nitrox Training. I correct my position of saying it was 38 m. An Advance ticket permits 42 m.

See my previous multiple explanations of your ignorance regarding Nitrox.

But according to the Cyprus mail, a 95 year old spent 44 minutes at 41 m. Yeh and I'm Santa Claus

Meh, as I said, almost certainly the efforts of a junior editor not understanding the press release (or anything about diving – rather like you!), if you bothered to search the Interwebz you would have found the press release presented less ambiguously elsewhere.

BTW, as you seem so incensed at the Mail article (or perhaps somebody calling out your bullshit has upset you?)… Roughly how many people - just roughly mind – have rushed off to the Zenobia and dived to 41m for 44mins as a result of reading it? Because I’d guess zero, not even one, zilch.

Do you really want to keep this going because every time you post you embarrass yourself by showing your complete ignorance of the subject under discussion – don’t you have half the world’s military might to command or something…?

[Paphitis]

Oh here we go! This is becoming a dick measuring excercise.

CG is trying to tell me that BSAC is better than PADI.

I wouldn't have a clue who is better. never saw it as a competition but what I do know is that PADI is global and is respected. Anywhere you go, you will find PADI but you won't find BSAC.

Either way, its 6 of one and half a dozen of another. PADI are just an international diving body a bit like FIFA for Football. To get a PADI accreditation, I had to complete what I believed to be a well structured Open Water Course and an Advance Diving Course for an Advance Ticket which allows me to dive to 42m. I didn't want to take it further as all I wanted to do was dive for fun on Ningaloo Reef and the Great Barrier Reef and things like that and that is what i did.

I will leave the dick measuring to you, but I am glad I got a PADI ticket because I have never found myself wanting in any country I have dived in. They are everywhere, including Cyprus and Greece.

Oh and for crying out loud. I am more than aware that we dive with compressed air (79% nitrogen and 21% oxygen) which is what we are breathing now from the earth's atmosphere and of course you do not dive with pure oxygen. And at depth (beyond 42 m) you are suppose to dive with a Nitrox mix which means the Nitrogen component is 22% to 40%, if you have the specialist training to do so that is.

The article however was concise. It may have been poorly written in your eyes but in my eyes it clearly stated that the diver spent 44 mins at 41 m and my reaction was one of disbelief and I am not the only one. I am not going to make assumptions as to the journalists knowledge which could be very little, but what ever happened to checking the facts before publishing? Reading articles like that makes me want to question the veracity of the entire article not make allowances and assumptions about the editors and writers knowledge or motives which are unknown. To me, they have a responsibility to verify the facts as professionals within their profession. Ignorance is no excuse in my book.

What happens when you get someone with a Basic Open Water Ticket try and dive for anything more than 10 minutes at 41 m because they read in the Cyprus Mail some 95 year old dived for 44 minutes? Sorry, but the media have a responsibility to inform, not publish reckless information.

Yeh, there was a guy that made a dig about the 44 minutes at 41 m. Just like I am having a dig, because it was bullshit.

MMmm 40.6 metres for how long? 44 minutes. He must have spent a week in decompression! No wonder he looks so happy to have come up without exploding! (Well Done Mr Woolley, I know, its difficult to read "The Tables" at 95!)

So there we go, this guy quips about the 95 year spending a week in a decompression chamber or exploding. I thought the same thing. in fact, I was amazed that the diver was still alive to tell the story.

Yes it was a humorous dig at the Cyprus Mail for posting total garbage.

I'm not frothing at the mouth. I am just calling the article out for the trash that it is. because for a journalist to publish this nonsense is just beyond stupidity.

Again, you are saying these are the efforts of a junior editor. How do you know? Does this absolve the Cyprus Mail? Are these papers suppose to get away with publishing nonsense? My wife was a news limited journalist for quite some years. Good journos are suppose to check their facts. Make a phone call, perhaps interview the diver a even get some quotes, not publish every ignorant piece of crap that comes to their head.

[cyprusgrump]

But you clearly are frothing at the moth and incapable of comprehending even the most basic facts!

Oh and for crying out loud. I am more than aware that we dive with compressed air (79% nitrogen and 21% oxygen) which is what we are breathing now from the earth's atmosphere and of course you do not dive with pure oxygen. And at depth (beyond 42 m) you are suppose to dive with a Nitrox mix which means the Nitrogen component is 22% to 40%, if you have the specialist training to do so.

No, no, no, no! You’re an idiot.

How many times have I already pointed out the depth limitations of Nitrox?

Do yourself a favour, do as I suggested in my last post and google the PADI Nitrox dive tables, look at them (they’re yellow) and tell me if the maximum depth is more or less than the air (blue) tables. I’ll give you a clue, it is less, a lot less in the case of EAN36.

What time is it there, are you on the drink? Because you are posting utter, utter shite!

BTW, if you stopped your frothing rage you’ll see that I clearly posted that I am PADI qualified, not BSAC so there is no dick waving on my part whatsoever.

[Paphitis]

But you clearly are frothing at the moth and incapable of comprehending even the most basic facts!

Oh and for crying out loud. I am more than aware that we dive with compressed air (79% nitrogen and 21% oxygen) which is what we are breathing now from the earth's atmosphere and of course you do not dive with pure oxygen. And at depth (beyond 42 m) you are suppose to dive with a Nitrox mix which means the Nitrogen component is 22% to 40%, if you have the specialist training to do so.

No, no, no, no! You’re an idiot.

How many times have I already pointed out the depth limitations of Nitrox?

Do yourself a favour, do as I suggested in my last post and google the PADI Nitrox dive tables, look at them (they’re yellow) and tell me if the maximum depth is more or less than the air (blue) tables. I’ll give you a clue, it is less, a lot less in the case of EAN36.

What time is it there, are you on the drink? Because you are posting utter, utter shite!

BTW, if you stopped your frothing rage you’ll see that I clearly posted that I am PADI qualified, not BSAC so there is no dick waving on my part whatsoever.

I couldn't care less what you are. I'm PADI qualified myself but only an amateur Advance ticketed diver which is more than enough for my recreational purposes.

I have never dived with a Nitrox mix either, and never had the need to. I have only dived with normal 79/21 compressed air.

This guy would have required a Nitrox mix in order to extend the amount of time he could spend at 41m which according to Cyprus mail was for 44 minutes. I have no clue if that allows him to stay at that depth for 44 minutes but the idea of Nitrox is to reduce the amount of Nitrogen which is absorbed in the diver's body thus allowing them to stay deeper for longer.

I'm not frothing at the mouth at all. I am taking issue with this article because it is full of nonsense.

[cyprusgrump]

Here, this is embarrassing for you, I've googled it for you to save you having a stroke or something...

The two most common recreational diving nitrox mixes contain 32% and 36% oxygen, which have maximum operating depths (MODs) of 34 metres (112 ft) and 29 metres (95 ft) respectively when limited to a maximum partial pressure of oxygen of 1.4 bar (140 kPa).

Here, I'll even upload the dive tables for you...

[Paphitis]

I saw the tables, and they prove what I have been saying all along.

Nitrox allows divers to stay down at deeper depths and for longer periods.

Cyprus mail claimed that the 95 year old diver was at 41m for 44 minutes. This can't even be achieved with a 40% Oxygen Nitrox mix according to the tables.