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[DrCyprus]

Time for the thread poster to wake up that there's no correlation between holiday ads and the illegal Turkish occupation.

There's a correlation between every oxygen molecule in the air of Cyprus and how that oxygen is used by Cypriots today to benefit their country.

dont worry the numbers of people going to north of the border for holiday is going up. we'll be ok in the end

shh puşteşek

[Lordo]

Time for the thread poster to wake up that there's no correlation between holiday ads and the illegal Turkish occupation.

There's a correlation between every oxygen molecule in the air of Cyprus and how that oxygen is used by Cypriots today to benefit their country.

dont worry the numbers of people going to north of the border for holiday is going up. we'll be ok in the end

shh puşteşek

neoldu len begenmedinmi eşşek pezzevenk

[Maximus]

Regarding the Cyprus problem our mistake was following the BBF path which can lead to nothing good for us. We are so deep in it now that is very difficult to come out one day and declare that we simply changed our mind. We need to figure out a way to change direction gradually and our aim should be to maintain the status quo unless the Turkish side is willing to settle for a 20%-80% two state arrangement.

Shut up already with your Turkish 20:80 propaganda!

You are the one who should shut up. Turkey would hate such arrangement and it is not something they promote.

Davut, Erdogan and the TC leadership have promoted two Separate states in Cyprus many times before. It is actually the corner stone of their strategy and their end game.

It goes a little something like this. Propose something preposterous to the GC which they will refuse > blame them for not wanting a solution to the cy prob > Push a two state solution.

I can pull up so many links and quote them but I am sure you could find them very easily through your favorite search engine.

[ioann]

Regarding the Cyprus problem our mistake was following the BBF path which can lead to nothing good for us. We are so deep in it now that is very difficult to come out one day and declare that we simply changed our mind. We need to figure out a way to change direction gradually and our aim should be to maintain the status quo unless the Turkish side is willing to settle for a 20%-80% two state arrangement.

Shut up already with your Turkish 20:80 propaganda!

You are the one who should shut up. Turkey would hate such arrangement and it is not something they promote.

Davut, Erdogan and the TC leadership have promoted two Separate states in Cyprus many times before. It is actually the corner stone of their strategy and their end game.

It goes a little something like this. Propose something preposterous to the GC which they will refuse > blame them for not wanting a solution to the cy prob > Push a two state solution.

I can pull up so many links and quote them but I am sure you could find them very easily through your favorite search engine.

Their end game is the control of the whole Cyprus. 20% is much less from what they have now and what they hope to gain in the future.

[Maximus]

Regarding the Cyprus problem our mistake was following the BBF path which can lead to nothing good for us. We are so deep in it now that is very difficult to come out one day and declare that we simply changed our mind. We need to figure out a way to change direction gradually and our aim should be to maintain the status quo unless the Turkish side is willing to settle for a 20%-80% two state arrangement.

Shut up already with your Turkish 20:80 propaganda!

You are the one who should shut up. Turkey would hate such arrangement and it is not something they promote.

Davut, Erdogan and the TC leadership have promoted two Separate states in Cyprus many times before. It is actually the corner stone of their strategy and their end game.

It goes a little something like this. Propose something preposterous to the GC which they will refuse > blame them for not wanting a solution to the cy prob > Push a two state solution.

I can pull up so many links and quote them but I am sure you could find them very easily through your favorite search engine.

Their end game is the control of the whole Cyprus. 20% is much less from what they have now and what they hope to gain in the future.

You said it is not something they promote. Which is not the case because it is something they promote. It is something they want. At the least, it is just a stepping stone to their end game (if its not two separate states) to control the whole island.

So you think that by giving them 20% of Cyprus it will stop them trying to gain control of the whole island in the future? Do you think that the Turks respect and honor words written on a piece of paper? What gives you that impression!

[ioann]

You said it is not something they promote. Which is not the case because it is something they promote. It is something they want. At the least, it is just a stepping stone to their end game (if its not two separate states) to control the whole island.

So you think that by giving them 20% of Cyprus it will stop them trying to gain control of the whole island in the future? Do you think that the Turks respect and honor words written on a piece of paper? What gives you that impression!

What they promote is partition along the current cease fire line which they know will not be accepted. Turkey's primary aim is a BBF that will give them control over the whole of Cyprus. The "trnc" was declared just so they will later supposedly "compromise" and accept federation. Just like they occupied Varoshia in order to "compromise" by giving it back.

To invade again the Turks would need some excuse. If we are totally separated from TCs with a clear agreement separating what is ours from what is theirs then Turkey will not have any pretext to invade.

If they are willing to invade without any excuse then this can happen with the status quo as well.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Their end game is the control of the whole Cyprus. 20% is much less from what they have now and what they hope to gain in the future.

We know Turkey-TCs' end game is to control the whole of Cyprus - So why freely give them 20%?

At the moment, Turkey has ZERO% - Why turn round and give them 20%?

At the moment Turkey has nothing! - Why turn round and offer them 20%?

Now, we guess you are not GC, but will humour you a while longer.

What is your case?

Have you lost a property in the occupied north and believe your property will be one of the ones returned with a 20% deal?

- If that is the case, you are shafting 100,000 other GC refugees who would NOT get their homes back.

Maybe you are a GC that wants two states so that he can resume business as normal with the Turks and carry on making money.

- If that is the case, you are shafting 200,000 GC refugees.

Perhaps you think you are some clever strategists who is thinking of the long term good of the whole of Cyprus.

- If that is the case, you would be shafting over a million GCs as we and you know Turkey will continue with its 100% control of Cyprus since we nicely gave them 20% when we didn't have to.

Now do us a favour and whatever your reasons for being here, move into the 21st century and accept the fact that Cyprus is in the EU now and the EU has ZERO desire to give Turkey any of its priceless territory!

[ioann]

Their end game is the control of the whole Cyprus. 20% is much less from what they have now and what they hope to gain in the future.

We know Turkey-TCs' end game is to control the whole of Cyprus - So why freely give them 20%?

At the moment, Turkey has ZERO% - Why turn round and give them 20%?

At the moment Turkey has nothing! - Why turn round and offer them 20%?

Wrong. Turkey occupies 37%

Now, we guess you are not GC, but will humour you a while longer.

Wrong again.

What is your case?

Have you lost a property in the occupied north and believe your property will be one of the ones returned with a 20% deal?

- If that is the case, you are shafting 100,000 other GC refugees who would NOT get their homes back.

Maybe you are a GC that wants two states so that he can resume business as normal with the Turks and carry on making money.

- If that is the case, you are shafting 200,000 GC refugees.

Perhaps you think you are some clever strategists who is thinking of the long term good of the whole of Cyprus.

- If that is the case, you would be shafting over a million GCs as we and you know Turkey will continue with its 100% control of Cyprus since we nicely gave them 20% when we didn't have to.

Now do us a favour and whatever your reasons for being here, move into the 21st century and accept the fact that Cyprus is in the EU now and the EU has ZERO desire to give Turkey any of its priceless territory!

EU doesn't give a fuck about Cypriots. But if you can't see that Turkey occupies 37% of Cyprus then I am not surprised that you can't see this slightly less obvious fact.

I have nothing to personally gain from this arrangement. I have no land in the occupied areas, no business or any potential business with the Turks. If I will gain anything it will just be from the general growth of the Cypriot economy after getting 17% of our land back while still having a democratic and stable country (which will not be the case with BBF)

Unlike you I can see that Turkey is occupying 37% of our land. I can see the refugees wanting some solution to the property issue and many of them applying to the so called "Property Commission" and give their properties to the Turks for pennies. I can see our current leadership pushing for the catastrophic BBF which will give to the Turks control over the whole Cyprus.

You and I might be fine to just sit there and wait indefinitely for Zeus to liberate Cyprus but a lot of Cypriots don't have that patience, foreigners are pressing for a solution, and our leadership is willing to accept something far worst than what I propose. I remind you that Anastasiades voted in favor of Annan plan. What I propose is a realistic alternative to BBF. Realize that DISY+AKEL plus a lot of marketing sponsored by foreigners and a 50%+ voting for BBF is not at all impossible if people see it as the only realistic way for a solution. What are you going to do then? Sit behind your computer repeating "nothing to the Turks, nothing to the Turks, nothing to the Turks".

Realize that the Turks already got a lot and there will never be a case where they will get nothing. Even with the 1960 agreements they had a lot more than what they should. Them getting 20% is the minimum because in all other cases such as status quo (37%), BBF (100%) they get a lot more.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Wrong. Turkey occupies 37%

You forgot the illegally occupies 37%.

How does illegal occupation equate to giving them for free, and for no reason, the 20% you keep harking on about?

If I will gain anything it will just be from the general growth of the Cypriot economy after getting 17% of our land back while still having a democratic and stable country (which will not be the case with BBF)

Neither your 17% nor BBF are going to be considered as Turkey has missed the boat!

I can see the refugees wanting some solution to the property issue

Not your solution!

applying to the so called "Property Commission" and give their properties to the Turks for pennies.

No one is giving their properties to the Turks. The Turks have to pay for loss of usage and the home remains the property of the GCs or have you never heard of the Orams?

Legal proceeding in the EU
The case C-420/07, Apostolides v Orams, was heard by the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg. A panel of judges ruled on 28 April 2009 that British courts were able to enforce the judicial decisions made in Cyprus, which uphold the property rights of Cypriots forced out during the invasion.[21]
Implications[edit]
The case has been described as a landmark test case as it sets a precedent for other Cypriots (primarily Greek Cypriot refugees) to bring similar actions to court.[21]
Both the British High Commission in Cyprus[22] and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office have issued warnings regarding the purchase of property in northern Cyprus.[23]
Following the final ruling by the Court of Appeal in England, Meletios Apostolides' lawyer Constantis Candounas stated that he was considering similar lawsuits against foreign tourists using hotels in the TRNC that were owned by Greek Cypriots previous to the partition of Cyprus.[24]

From today's Famagusta Gazette:

Speaking on Monday during visits to army camps on the occasion of Christmas and New Year, Omirou said that we want a solution the soonest, but one that will end the Turkish occupation, safeguard human rights, terminate the 1960 guarantees and not provide for permanent derogations from the EU acquis communautaire.

[Lordo]

but you boys are saying the guarantees were null and void. why are they going to terminate them. where is my stupid idiot friends who insist they do not exist.

when will you idiots realise that you can decide for yourselves what you want or not want but you will never be able to dictate to the tcs, not even under bbf. the federal level will be politically equal.