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[Piratis]

2 partners why cant you see this. We have never wanted you off this island but you always suggest we leave, thats the difference between us.

Nop. We always suggested that an 18% minority that you are should have what every other minority in the whole world has. You wanted 50% power etc. You were greedy. I hope your greediness will end before it is too late for you.

[zan]

2 partners why cant you see this. We have never wanted you off this island but you always suggest we leave, thats the difference between us.

Nop. We always suggested that an 18% minority that you are should have what every other minority in the whole world has. You wanted 50% power etc. You were greedy. I hope your greediness will end before it is too late for you.

And the same to you

[Piratis]

I can’t undo what has gone before but I feel it is my duty to stop it happening again.

It is happening again and again and again and every day that your crimes against us continue.

You want to correct a wrong by putting thousands of people through more hell. Sorry can’t see that happening.

Well, if TCs think that living in a united Cyprus part of EU were human and democratic rights of everybody are respected is "Hell", then they are free to move to the "paradise" of Turkey were such things do not exist and live the way they are used to. What they don't have the right to do is to violate our human rights. Do you seriously think that in the 21st century with Cyprus in EU TCs have more risk in a united Cyprus rather than in a Turkish puppet state?

Would they have taken the same decision if they knew that by doing so they would start a war? That is exactly what Greece did by thinking that Turkey would ever let go of a strategically placed island in a hostile world with its oldest enemy wanting what it saw as its property. It does not matter that the island belonged to the Cypriots just like it does not matter that Gibraltar belonged to Spain, it is the fact that if they did not want a war then certain things should not have happened.

Then you can say that this was a political mistake. I would agree. But you can not accuse GCs because Turkey wanted to have Cyprus for herself.

So are you now saying that there is no such thing as a Cypriot blood line.

If you are asking me TCs are 90% Greek and other Cypriots that adopted the muslim faith and only 10% Ottomans that came from abroad. However thats your own community and you insist that you are the Ottomans that came in 1571. I leave it up to you to decide who you are. I will not insist on anything about this.

[Viewpoint]

2 partners why cant you see this. We have never wanted you off this island but you always suggest we leave, thats the difference between us.

Nop. We always suggested that an 18% minority that you are should have what every other minority in the whole world has. You wanted 50% power etc. You were greedy. I hope your greediness will end before it is too late for you.

Your threats will get you nowhere.

Bring on your worst Piratis, we are your equal partner like it or not.

[Piratis]

There are no threads. 18% is a minority. This is a simply fact a 5 year old knows. You are trying to redefine maths here. Soon you will tell us that 18 = 50 (oh, you are telling this already!)

[Viewpoint]

Piratis the % split ended in 1974, now both sides have accepted BBF which is two communites:

Turkish Cypriot Community and Greek Cypriot Community 2 equal partners, all furterh negotiations if they ever get underway will be based on this forumla.

[zan]

I can’t undo what has gone before but I feel it is my duty to stop it happening again

It is happening again and again and again and every day that your crimes against us continue.

And as long as your crimes go on unnoticed.

You want to correct a wrong by putting thousands of people through more hell. Sorry can’t see that happening.

Well, if TCs think that living in a united Cyprus part of EU were human and democratic rights of everybody are respected is "Hell", then they are free to move to the "paradise" of Turkey were such things do not exist and live the way they are used to. What they don't have the right to do is to violate our human rights. Do you seriously think that in the 21st century with Cyprus in EU TCs have more risk in a united Cyprus rather than in a Turkish puppet state?

Well when you get it into your thick skull that that is exactly what we are telling peoples like you then nothing will change. As I have said to you before the TRNC is going nowhere for the foreseeable future. If that does change be sure to run to the nearest tall building and hang your Greek flag.

Would they have taken the same decision if they knew that by doing so they would start a war? That is exactly what Greece did by thinking that Turkey would ever let go of a strategically placed island in a hostile world with its oldest enemy wanting what it saw as its property. It does not matter that the island belonged to the Cypriots just like it does not matter that Gibraltar belonged to Spain, it is the fact that if they did not want a war then certain things should not have happened.

Then you can say that this was a political mistake. I would agree. But you can not accuse GCs because Turkey wanted to have Cyprus for herself.

Those half-truths are creeping back in again to back up your lies. Maybe Turkey wanted all of Cyprus and maybe she didn't and I can say the same for Greece. The GCs blame in this rests squarely on the shoulders of Makarios.

So are you now saying that there is no such thing as a Cypriot blood line.

If you are asking me TCs are 90% Greek and other Cypriots that adopted the muslim faith and only 10% Ottomans that came from abroad. However thats your own community and you insist that you are the Ottomans that came in 1571. I leave it up to you to decide who you are. I will not insist on anything about this.

As I have said to you a hundred times, I am a Turkish Cypriot and always will be. I am now a supporter of the TRNC because I think that is the way forward. I had realised that that will not be to everyone’s liking and I am not deluding my self like you that all will be rosy.

[ONURLU_1925]

Piratis ideas equal to five-year-old cihildren ideas, I think.
His ideas depend on population that who is the majority, its rules are valid.
However, he tells also minorty rights in Turkey. Isn't it a dilemma?


We know EU, it is one of the most biggest organizations which violates human rights.
Application of South Cyprus to EU with representing all of Cyprus is violation of international laws and declarations.
This is also illegal and violates TCs' human&living rights.

TRNC is recognized by Turkey.
TRNC's universities are recognized by the World.
Azerbaijan recognizes TRNC in economical point of view.
And one day the World will recognize TRNC, don't worry Piratis.

[sadik]

Sadik
I am sorry mate but when you make statements like that and do not include people like Piratis and Kifeas then you too loose cred.

What do you mean I don't include Piratis and Kifeas? Why do I need to make a reference to Piratis and Kifeas in everything I say? You can go back and read what I wrote to them before.

We have acknowledged what happened in 1974 time and time again but these two only lick their own wounds with their claws still on show. They have dismissed every thing that we have put forward and every source we have got them from. Every thing has to come from the propaganda that they choose to believe whether it is wrong or not. I have no real way of knowing whether they really believe that no Turks were hurt in the making of this saga or they are just playing silly buggers. Either way it is an offence to the senses and must be put down where ever it pokes its ugly head.

I don't think anybody -except Papadopoulos- said that no Turkish Cypriots were hurt. What you have engaged in is a meaningless discussion in who started it all and who is hurt more, like there is a mathematical method to calculate human suffering. Let me tell you, this discussion has been going on for ages and it will never come to a conclusion.

If they cannot see that the actions of EOKA A or B are the root causes of this mess then people like Eric dayi will always be the answer to their insults.

I see, if you feel insulted, then someone like Eric Dayi will go and insult them and everything will be OK.

[pg]

2 partners why cant you see this. We have never wanted you off this island but you always suggest we leave, thats the difference between us.

Nop. We always suggested that an 18% minority that you are should have what every other minority in the whole world has. You wanted 50% power etc. You were greedy. I hope your greediness will end before it is too late for you.

The numbers does not really matter... There are really three categories; the:

-individual
-minority
-majority

And the number of years do not help either... as long as you are born on the island, or someone in your family is, then you are in 2-3 of those categories.

The INDIVIDUALs rights are sakred, and can not be abused by anyone else. In the same way as the majority can not abuse the individuals rights (for example property) in can not abuse minority rights (for example language, religion).

Big problem appears when the levels are mixed up..., for example, it is not X% Greek Cypriot property in northen Cyprus... The property belongs to individuals - who should be allowed to use them however they want, which might include selling them by their free will.