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[BirKibrisli]

I hope people realise that Eric Dayi speaks only for himself.I and many other TCs have managed to put all that behind us.I bet you anything I have gone through more terrible times and experiences than Eric dayi ever did in Cyprus.But I have learned one thing during my time in exile:
you cannot overcome HATE by more HATE.Eric dayi is a hateful character.The only way to overcome Eric's hate is by loving him.Lets declare Christmas 2005 LOVE ERIC DAYI season.IF WE ALL SHOWER HIM WITH LOVE he will have nowhere to throw his HATRED.Stop and think Eric Dayi.This is the time for LOVE and GOODWILL and COMPASSION.The only real security lies in trusting and respecting the pain and suffering of your fellow Cypriots.Get on your knees and pray for forgiveness for your sin of sullying other people's holy days.And while you are praying REMEMBER that your GOD is the SAME as theirs.But don't worry HU will still forgive you...

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Birkibrisli you really should come back to live in Cyprus, your positive attitude would be a benefit to all Cypriots. Unfortunately you are a minority and in the current climate a rareity.

Seasons Greetings to all Cypriots, may we all continue to live in peace and tranquility on this beautiful island.

[zan]

ONURLU_1925 wrote:

Where are Turkish Cypriots' crimes??? They didn't attack Greek cypriots' villages suddenly and they didn't kill innocent children, women, old/aged people. They only defended themselves against EOKA terror.

This is just mind-boggling. How can you say that they didnt attack villages suddenly and kill innnocent women, children, and old aged people. YOu know what, your right, they didnt....THey Killed ANyone IN THERe WAY. My village was sacked, people killed, and my family and I left to hide with others in fear and terror. Apparently, you my friend need to brush up on your history. What you need are the facts. 200,000 Greek Cypriots who made up 82% of the population in the north became refugees; many of them forced out of their homes. This is a violation of Human Rights by the Turkish army. 20,000 Greek Cypriots remained enclaved on the Karpass Peninsula and after much alleged persecution and ethnic cleansing, only 600 remain there. These are just two examples of the terror. This was not a defense, this was an invasion.

And Piratis asks why the TCs did not apologise, item by item, for the wrongs they did. Where in this statement is the fact of who actually started this present state of affairs. Where are the facts about how many warnings and how long the debate went on between the guarantor powers whilst the TCs were systematically being killed. Where is the fact that Greek ships were turned away from Cyprus that were on their way to reinforce the troops that were already there, in their aim of ENOSIS. What part of war does it say that those who start the war will not have more killed than those they are attacking. What part of war says that all those that risked their lives and homes in order to gain more than their fair share should have all their losses returned to them if they happen to loose.

It is this sort of rhetoric and that of Piratis that is still fighting the same war their fathers started and lost that make me move way over to one side of the middle of the road. There is only one thing that Greece and the Greeks hold over Turkey and the TRNC and that is the final vote on whether they should join the EU. Power of force or of economy is changing in favour of Turkey and if the EU option is closed to them then the Arab option and the China option still remains and that will cement a hostile and unstable truce between the two sides.

Those who wanted ENOSIS first and foremost broke the 1960 agreement and to keep referring to it as if it is the last bastion from which Piratis is fighting is a complete farce. It was the Greeks that broke this agreement and all the agreements that were signed when Turkey was at its weakest and now some are crying that they were forced to sign and they did not really want to. Whether it is a puppet state a pseudo state or an illegal state it is a reality that you will have to come to terms with. When and if the shift of power that Piratis is dreaming of does go to Greece and they annexe the island and punish the TCs for their sins, they will be even more stunned than us because they will not know why after two to three hundred years the Greeks are still so sore about losing a battle they started. Make sure you have yourself cryogenically frozen Piratis with instructions to be unfrozen when that day comes, and don’t forget your Greek flag.

[Piratis]

Where in this statement is the fact of who actually started this present state of affairs.

It all started in 1571 when you invaded Cyprus and oppressed us for centuries. Before that Turks did not exist in Cyprus and therefore there was no problem between Greeks and Turks in Cyprus. Maybe it was not a problem for you when you were oppressing us, but for us it was.

Where are the facts about how many warnings and how long the debate went on between the guarantor powers whilst the TCs were systematically being killed.

TCs and GCs were killed. About the same amount. Get your facts steight and stop pretending to be the Virgin Mary.

What part of war says that all those that risked their lives and homes in order to gain more than their fair share should have all their losses returned to them if they happen to loose.

The ones who started a war to gain more than their fair share are the Turks. This happened both in 1571 were the Turks share in Cyprus was 0% and they used force to take the 100%, and in 1974 were Turks share was 18% and they used force to take the 37%.

It is this sort of rhetoric and that of Piratis that is still fighting the same war their fathers started and lost that make me move way over to one side of the middle of the road.

You started the war, not us.

1571 - 1878: More than 300 years of Turkish oppression against Greek Cypriots
1963 - 1974: Crimes of TMT and TC nationalists against Greek Cypriots
1974 - 2005: Ethnic cleansing and illegal occupation of 1/3rd of Cyprus

VS

1963 - 1974: Crimes of EOKA B and GC nationalists against Turkish Cypriots

And then you come here to pretend to be the virgin Mary

Not only you oppressed us for centuries you insist on continuing to do TODAY. Stop giving lame excuses for your crimes.

Sooner or later we will take back our own land and then you will deserve everything that will happen to you until we caused to you the same amount of suffering that you caused to us for 350+ years. (ok, I will take out that 1 decade that we have already caused you suffering. So we owe you only 340+ years of suffering until we are equal)

[zan]

[sadik]

I wish you were around in 1963 to "relax a little" and be able to enjoy your Christmass boyo, because the Greeks and Greek Cypriots were sending out loads of "good wishes accross" riding on the backs of the bullets and bombs. And even now they are sending out their kind of "good wishes accross" in wanting to make you a and all TC's minorities so that the island of Cyprus becomes a Greek Island. If you are a minority with nothing to say about the running of the country then there is absolutely nothing to stop the Greeks from achieving their ENOSIS goal.

Oh yes, I know, they don't "want" ENOSIS anymore..LOL, anyone who believes that doesn't also believe that the war started in 1963 with the aim of ENOSIS but that the war started in 1974 when Turkey intervened to stop us TC's from being smothered to death by so much "love" we got from the GC's.

And of course not to forget that we are still getting this same show of "love" every time we ask to be treated as equals.

So you think you are the only one who knows history.

We suffered in 1960s. But we need to accept that the GC community suffered greatly in 1974. It was a big trauma for them. As much as we expect them to acknowledge our suffering, we need to acknowledge their suffering as well. We cannot expect them to celebrate something that created a tragedy for them. We need to undertand this if we are going to solve this problem. We cannot get stuck in history. We need to move forward.

Like a broken record, you repeat the same thing over and over again. You display no empathy, you show no understanding. Your attitude does not win any sympathy for us from the world. This attitude has failed miserably with Denktas. People like you are harming our cause to keep and develop the TC existence in Cyprus.

[ONURLU_1925]

...How can you say that they didnt attack villages suddenly and kill innnocent women, children, and old aged people. ....THey Killed ANyone IN THERe WAY. ...My village was sacked, people killed, and my family and I left to hide with others in fear and terror.

I don't wonder your personal imaginery stories, please give the date, in which your village was attacked by TMT.

...I and many other TCs have managed to put all that behind us...

It isn't many other TCs idea, it is only your idea. We don't forget EOKA's carnages. After recognition of TRNC, we may forgive Greece&EOKA's actions. However, we always remember EOKA's carnages.


Piratis,

You said that;
It all started in 1571 when you invaded Cyprus and oppressed us for centuries. Before that Turks did not exist in Cyprus and therefore there was no problem between Greeks and Turks in Cyprus. Maybe it was not a problem for you when you were oppressing us, but for us it was.

It is an originial idea, nobody (in the World) thinks that the starting point of Cyprus problem was conquest of Cyprus in 1571. That was about in middle age. I think the starting point of Cyprus problem was the meteor, which had ended the dinosaurs.

I explained you before that Ottomon Empire's management system is very democratic. Ottoman Empire did not force someone to make something or to believe something. However, we can cleary see non-muslim people have been under pressure in Europe in all ages.
(Do you remember what was done in France just few months ago? Do you remember how non-muslim people rebelled against French pressures?)

And please don't forget Greece&GC nationalists&England (Englang has been your biggest supporter to destroy Turkish population in Cyprus island, in history and at present.) started to take TCs human rights in 1878. High taxes on TCs , overrode the speaking right of TCs in Cyprus Council etc,

But I congratulate you for learning new numbers. You knew 200,000, 1960 and 1974 before, but today you have learned 1571, 1878 and 1963.
Excellent

[zan]

Sadik


I am sorry mate but when you make statements like that and do not include people like Piratis and Kifeas then you too loose cred.

We have acknowledged what happened in 1974 time and time again but these two only lick their own wounds with their claws still on show. They have dismissed every thing that we have put forward and every source we have got them from. Every thing has to come from the propaganda that they choose to believe whether it is wrong or not. I have no real way of knowing whether they really believe that no Turks were hurt in the making of this saga or they are just playing silly buggers. Either way it is an offence to the senses and must be put down where ever it pokes its ugly head. If they cannot see that the actions of EOKA A or B are the root causes of this mess then people like Eric dayi will always be the answer to their insults.

[gus]

MERRY BLOODY CHRISTMAS.....

To everybody:
Did you read the tittle to this topic? Did you read the rest of answers everybody has putted here?

MERRY CHRISTMAS.... I've started thinking that no solution can be reached, never.

I wish to everybody in this forum and to their families a MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

I pray God to heal your wounds...

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Welcome to reality gus, more and more people are thinking just like you and me. In time this will be the only solution, recognized partition.