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[Sotos]

I agree with GR on this! The only way that we can peacefully coexist with the TCs is the proper way ... where the majority has their majority rights and the minority their minority rights. Arrangements like the Annan plan not only are not a solution for our problems and do NOT unify Cyprus but they would result in a BIGGER problem than what we have today. Only somebody with an unrealistically high level of optimism can expect such a "solution" to result in something better than what we have now. Anybody who is a realist should be able to see that such arrangement will result in constant deadlocks, a totally dysfunctional central government and would make Cyprus a vassal state of Turkey (plus lots of other problems.. like the 10s of thousands of potential Islamic terrorists who will be made Cyprus citizens). Those who talk about the "benefits" of such a "solution" should not base their estimates on a best case scenario where everybody acts in a perfect way but on a realistic scenario of attempting such thing with two groups that have different religion, different language and a long history of wars and conflicts... multiplied by the negative factor called Turkey which is going to make what would in any case be difficult to something totally impossible.

[repulsewarrior]

...i agree, that Cyprus must be Free.

And while you fear Turkey justifiably i would like to remind you that so long as it appears as though the overwhelming population of the island consider themselves "Greek", that is to say linked to Greece politically, we obscure the meaning of Cypriot, and, as GR says, the Cypriot way. Even if we are Greek, as Greeks who are Citizens of the World, that we can demonstrate this distinction. As an Ethnos, Cyprus can benefit from its implications, and in reality, for Humanity's sake, if we took actions as Cypriots to defend each other as Nations, the Problem would have its "perfect" solution, as it could be held in high esteem by the rest of the world and emulated.

I live in a BBF, the neighbour Canada has is the biggest social-economy in the world and it is a BBF.

...you will agree that BBF can mean a lot of things. Even if, as it is framed by "Turks", to mean tearing up and dividing, what is not "Turkish" to those they call "Greeks", it is not the only choice Cypriots can take.

[Oceanside50]

...i agree, that Cyprus must be Free.

And while you fear Turkey justifiably i would like to remind you that so long as it appears as though the overwhelming population of the island consider themselves "Greek", that is to say linked to Greece politically, we obscure the meaning of Cypriot, and, as GR says, the Cypriot way. Even if we are Greek, as Greeks who are Citizens of the World, that we can demonstrate this distinction. As an Ethnos, Cyprus can benefit from its implications, and in reality, for Humanity's sake, if we took actions as Cypriots to defend each other as Nations, the Problem would have its "perfect" solution, as it could be held in high esteem by the rest of the world and emulated.

I live in a BBF, the neighbour Canada has is the biggest social-economy in the world and it is a BBF.

...you will agree that BBF can mean a lot of things. Even if, as it is framed by "Turks", to mean tearing up and dividing, what is not "Turkish" to those they call "Greeks", it is not the only choice Cypriots can take.

RW, Sotos makes many valid points but you choose to ignore all of them. This is the attitude of the people in Cyprus, who support this type of a solution. We know what a bbf will look like in Cyprus. These elitist arrogant assholes,who think they know better, such as omada kypros, and others like them are purposely deceiving people, with misinformation on what a BBF will be in Cyprus.. Such as telling people that they're sure the barriers will fall and that the European primary law will be there to protect their rights, in the Tc state, which is bullshit...but when faced with someone who knows the truth they bow out of the debate and begin to criticize my grammar and they accuse me of being a Yankee..I want to see one of these elitist arrogant assholes do what they are asking from the Greek Cypriot refugee to do...give up their villages, their lands their history, their culture, memories and everything else they ever have that's connected to their village, leave themselves with the clothes on their back and a pair of shoes, then I may take these elitist arrogant assholes, seriously and their point of view..does Canada have restrictions based race/ethnicity?

[Lordo]

strange that dengtash agreed to implementing the 13 amendments and everybody back to their homes and makarios refused it. that was after 9 years of troubles. and you actually think that that will work after 52 years of separation.

sindihannis bu don gollosu bale reh gounoamerigano.

[Oceanside50]

strange that dengtash agreed to implementing the 13 amendments and everybody back to their homes and makarios refused it. that was after 9 years of troubles. and you actually think that that will work after 52 years of separation.

sindihannis bu don gollosu bale reh gounoamerigano.

Denktash asked makarios for 3 cantons in 74/75 makarios replied that he would give not only 3 but 15...and that's where the Tc got the idea to form a bizonal federation...

[Lordo]

strange that dengtash agreed to implementing the 13 amendments and everybody back to their homes and makarios refused it. that was after 9 years of troubles. and you actually think that that will work after 52 years of separation.

sindihannis bu don gollosu bale reh gounoamerigano.

Denktash asked makarios for 3 cantons in 74/75 makarios replied that he would give not only 3 but 15...and that's where the Tc got the idea to form a bizonal federation...

back to the enclaves hey, over your dead body you stupid fool.

[Oceanside50]

strange that dengtash agreed to implementing the 13 amendments and everybody back to their homes and makarios refused it. that was after 9 years of troubles. and you actually think that that will work after 52 years of separation.

sindihannis bu don gollosu bale reh gounoamerigano.

Denktash asked makarios for 3 cantons in 74/75 makarios replied that he would give not only 3 but 15...and that's where the Tc got the idea to form a bizonal federation...

back to the enclaves hey, over your dead body you stupid fool.

Or over yours

[Sotos]

Canada has very little to do with Cyprus. Both the English and French speaking people are Christians of European decent and they do not have the kind of bloody history between them as we have with the Turks. And France is not controlling the French Canadians in the way that Turkey controls the TCs. And still the "BBF" in Canada might not survive for long... in last referendum 49.5% of Quebec's population voted on favor of Independence. In Cyprus such arrangement will not work at all...

[Lordo]

who gives a shit about canda ffs.

[Oceanside50]

Canada has very little to do with Cyprus. Both the English and French speaking people are Christians of European decent and they do not have the kind of bloody history between them as we have with the Turks. And France is not controlling the French Canadians in the way that Turkey controls the TCs. And still the "BBF" in Canada might not survive for long... in last referendum 49.5% of Quebec's population voted on favor of Independence. In Cyprus such arrangement will not work at all...

In Cyprus you have a minority of 18% that wants equal political powers as the 82%majority. No where in the western world has this happened. In the Arab world places like Syria and Iraq the minority has the upper hand and we see the results...all Tc must go back to their maxalaes in Limassol and paphos and larnaka