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[Paphitis]

What is there to gain from abolishing sanctions? Are we about to legitimize and compromise the sovereignty of nation States like Ukraine and Georgia.

What about our allies. Are we going to destabilize them now, some of which are the biggest Oil producers of which our economy is heavily reliant upon?

There is little to gain from defeating DAESH.

All we want now is a Kurdish state and it appears we are close to this now.

America isn't about to cosy up to Pootin because such a thing would be outrageous to EU, NATO, GULF STATES, Japan, Australia and many more.

In other words, friendship with pootin has a price tag, and Theresa May has already indicated that Britain will stand by its morals when it comes to its relationship with USA. We all will.

We are not interested in pootin. Congress isn't interested. NATO and EU are not interested.

We are in no position to allow pootin to con us into a long term and unwinnable adventure in Syria of all places. pootin will have to fight that one himself.

We want Raqqa but that is as far as we go with it.

We are willing to cooperate and even tolerate Trump as he is the elected POTUS and America is our friend and partner, but Pootin is persona NON Gratia for all of us. Our entire alliance.

we are not easily fooled with a simple stroke of our ego like when pootin said he admired Trump.

We as allies DO NOT admire TRUMP, we just respect the office of the POTUS as an institution and the democratic will of the American People. that's the difference. america is however our partner. Pootin will never be. Not anytime soon anyway.

pootin on the other hand disrespected the office of the POTUS and even meddled into internal American affairs and its democratic process. that is pretty much an act of war and not conducive to better relations and a dangerous precedent.

[miltiades]

I thought you liked Trumbey

We have absolutely nothing to gain by being " enemies" of Russia, the world as a whole has much to gain however if the two biggest world powers get along with each other. We do not want conflict , we do not want bad relations with either Russia or China. Was there to be a third world war it would spell the end of the entire world and a return to prehistoric conditions. We must strive towards establishing an atmosphere of good will and co operation for the sake of humanity.

Like it or not Putin is the second most powerful man on the planet, it makes sense that Trump and Putin get on.

Your strong antipathy towards Putin is evident of your total ignorance of world politics.
I have noted that you have now ....fallen out with Trumbey, the frigging genius and the breath of fresh air

[Paphitis]

I never said I like him. There are many things I do not like about him and think he is dangerous to International World affairs. he has an ego and that is not something you want from a POTUS who has to be balanced and well adjusted with feet on the ground. His straight talk is refreshing though and if he manages to do half the things (populist) he promised I would be very happy for the American people. But I have my doubts like the rest of the world.

but I am prepared to give him a chance because I believe the faceless men behind him will keep things under a certain degree of control. That is what happens in a democratic country. Things have to be controlled and kept civil. The last thing we need is another Pootin or Erdog!

I will judge him on his actions. So far, he hasn't done anything important enough for me to make up my mind yet, but I don't agree with the abolishing of abortions, cancelling the TPP, the travel bans on 7 Muslim Countries, or the commencement of a nuclear program when that money is better spent on conventional weaponry. Oh and I don't like his Climate Change denial. so far, he is getting everything wrong!

pootin is not the second most powerful person on the planet. China, Japan, France, Germany and Britain are far more powerful than pootin is.

Undermining the alliance will end up with world chaos, and war in the Middle East and an emboldened North Korea too. America will not be as close to its allies as it once was as many country re-adjust their compass. no one is interested in Pootin.

No one in America, and no one in the alliance.

But yes, America is our ally, always has been our ally and they can count on it provided it doesn't get ridiculous and our interests are compromised with something we couldn't possibly entertain.

America isn't some-kind of corporation or business deal. it's a country. And international diplomacy and relations are a very delicate thing and peace in many countries is also delicate. our defence and security relies on this alliance, and last time I checked, Russia has done nothing but provoke, antagonize and cause a lot of trouble.

we don't trust Russia, we trust USA and all our other NATO, EU, GULF and Asian partners. Russia is not a part of this.

[miltiades]

I never said I like him. There are many things I do not like about him and think he is dangerous to International World affairs. he has an ego and that is not something you want from a POTUS who has to be balanced and well adjusted with feet on the ground. His straight talk is refreshing though and if he manages to do half the things (populist) he promised I would be very happy for the American people. But I have my doubts like the rest of the world.

but I am prepared to give him a chance because I believe the faceless men behind him will keep things under a certain degree of control. That is what happens in a democratic country. Things have to be controlled and kept civil. The last thing we need is another Pootin or Erdog!

I will judge him on his actions. So far, he hasn't done anything important enough for me to make up my mind yet, but I don't agree with the abolishing of abortions, cancelling the TPP, the travel bans on 7 Muslim Countries, or the commencement of a nuclear program when that money is better spent on conventional weaponry. Oh and I don't like his Climate Change denial. so far, he is getting everything wrong!

pootin is not the second most powerful person on the planet. China, Japan, France, Germany and Britain are far more powerful than pootin is.

Undermining the alliance will end up with world chaos, and war in the Middle East and an emboldened North Korea too. America will not be as close to its allies as it once was as many country re-adjust their compass. no one is interested in Pootin.

No one in America, and no one in the alliance.

According to this Russia IS the second world power in military terms.


1



0.0897 - United States of America (North America; NATO)


2
0.0964 - Russia (Asia)


3

0.0988 - China (Asia)


http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp



Russia
Ranked as 2 of 126
GFP Power Index rating of 0.0964 (0.0000 being perfect)

[Paphitis]

I never said I like him. There are many things I do not like about him and think he is dangerous to International World affairs. he has an ego and that is not something you want from a POTUS who has to be balanced and well adjusted with feet on the ground. His straight talk is refreshing though and if he manages to do half the things (populist) he promised I would be very happy for the American people. But I have my doubts like the rest of the world.

but I am prepared to give him a chance because I believe the faceless men behind him will keep things under a certain degree of control. That is what happens in a democratic country. Things have to be controlled and kept civil. The last thing we need is another Pootin or Erdog!

I will judge him on his actions. So far, he hasn't done anything important enough for me to make up my mind yet, but I don't agree with the abolishing of abortions, cancelling the TPP, the travel bans on 7 Muslim Countries, or the commencement of a nuclear program when that money is better spent on conventional weaponry. Oh and I don't like his Climate Change denial. so far, he is getting everything wrong!

pootin is not the second most powerful person on the planet. China, Japan, France, Germany and Britain are far more powerful than pootin is.

Undermining the alliance will end up with world chaos, and war in the Middle East and an emboldened North Korea too. America will not be as close to its allies as it once was as many country re-adjust their compass. no one is interested in Pootin.

No one in America, and no one in the alliance.

According to this Russia IS the second world power in military terms.


1



0.0897 - United States of America (North America; NATO)


2
0.0964 - Russia (Asia)


3

0.0988 - China (Asia)


http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

It's not even close to being the second power.

china is far stronger. So is Japan, Britain, France, and Germany.

China is a superpower. Russia isn't.

India is stronger too.

having 16,000 Tanks don't make you the strongest, because a war won't be fought like that anymore like it was in WW2.

[miltiades]

You do talk a load of rubbish mate !!

[Paphitis]

You do talk a load of rubbish mate !!

I'm not talking rusbbish.


having 16,000 tanks doesn't make you the strongest country in the world.

China is far more balanced as a power and so are France, Japan, India, Germany and Britain.

First of all, those tanks are useless unless Russia is invaded which will never happen. they can't even transport 200 of them to a conflict.

I only rate the conventional projection of power, and china is better able to project power, along with Britain, France, Japan, and Germany. So are Taiwan, South Korea, India, Indonesia, Australia, Italy and Spain to some extent due to their superior navies.

Russia for instance can't project power all the way to Australia apart from sending 4 to 8 ships which would be sunk in 2 days anyway.

[miltiades]

You do talk a load of rubbish mate !!

I'm not talking rusbbish.


having 16,000 tanks doesn't make you the strongest country in the world.

China is far more balanced as a power and so are France, Japan, India, Germany and Britain.

First of all, those tanks are useless unless Russia is invaded which will never happen. they can't even transport 200 of them to a conflict.

I only rate the conventional projection of power, and china is better able to project power, along with Britain, France, Japan, and Germany. So are Taiwan, South Korea, India, Indonesia, Australia, Italy and Spain to some extent due to their superior navies.

Russia for instance can't project power all the way to Australia apart from sending 4 to 8 ships which would be sunk in 2 days anyway.

May I suggest you drop an email to Global firepower and correct their rankings on the ground that Paphitis does not agree
By the way can you provide a link showing that Russia is not the worlds second largest power, and don't provide www.paphitisnonsense.au

[Paphitis]

You do talk a load of rubbish mate !!

I'm not talking rusbbish.


having 16,000 tanks doesn't make you the strongest country in the world.

China is far more balanced as a power and so are France, Japan, India, Germany and Britain.

First of all, those tanks are useless unless Russia is invaded which will never happen. they can't even transport 200 of them to a conflict.

I only rate the conventional projection of power, and china is better able to project power, along with Britain, France, Japan, and Germany. So are Taiwan, South Korea, India, Indonesia, Australia, Italy and Spain to some extent due to their superior navies.

Russia for instance can't project power all the way to Australia apart from sending 4 to 8 ships which would be sunk in 2 days anyway.

May I suggest you drop an email to Global firepower and correct their rankings on the ground that Paphitis does not agree
By the way can you provide a link showing that Russia is not the worlds second largest power, and don't provide http://www.paphitisnonsense.au

It's not necessary. They have their matrix and the declared what it is.

But Russia isn't the second power on the planet. That is a fact.

China spends $220 Billion on defence, second only to the USA which spends $650 Billion.

Russia comes in at $70 billion which is only slightly more than Australia at $45 Billion.

Everyone rates china as far exceeding Russia in terms of power. Australia does and so do the Americans.

In order to be considered a superpower, you need to get your aircraft, tanks, troops, ships into a theater. that is where America excels. china too is able to project its power more and more as time goes on and its capability already exceeds that of Russia. You need logistics. Aircraft carriers, Troop carriers, galaxies, Air to air refueling and landing Ships. Russia simply doesn't cut it.

The French, and British also exceed Russia's capability and all you need to do is look at their navies and compare.

http://thediplomat.com/2016/05/chinas-m ... t-matters/

[Robin Hood]

We have absolutely nothing to gain by being " enemies" of Russia, the world as a whole has much to gain however if the two biggest world powers get along with each other. We do not want conflict , we do not want bad relations with either Russia or China. Was there to be a third world war it would spell the end of the entire world and a return to prehistoric conditions. We must strive towards establishing an atmosphere of good will and co operation for the sake of humanity.

Like it or not Putin is the second most powerful man on the planet, it makes sense that Trump and Putin get on.

Your strong antipathy towards Putin is evident of your total ignorance of world politics.

I have noted that you have now ....fallen out with Trumbey, the frigging genius and the breath of fresh air

It is just common sense! They do not have to be 'best friends for ever' but a bit of mutual respect would not come amiss. Their meeting seems to have set the ground for further discussions on a variety of common concerns. I think military cooperation in Syria will go ahead but Russian, Syrian and US or coalition air craft flying together ...... would be just a pipe dream as will coalition boots on the ground.

Putin appears to have a much more controlled attitude to events. You rarely see him boasting or threatening, he just acts and is therefore difficult for the US to predict. But the idea that Russia is preparing to invade anyone is a fantasy that drives the West's irrational 'Project Fear'. This rational approach can only be achieved by mutual trust and an openness ...... and of course, withdrawing of the NATO threat from Russia's borders.

There is a far more positive attitude to this phone call in the Russian press than is shown in the Western press, whose approach seems to be driven more by the sentiments of people like McCain than those of Trump. The senseless demonization of Putin will stop ..... most of it is distorted false accusations anyway. But I think we will see far more cooperation in Syria than has been evident so far. Maybe a joint command?

The fact that the Syrian conflict is now on the path to a sustainable peace, although it is a rocky path, has helped to advance this idea of combining military assets to destroy a common enemy, Daesh/ISIS/ISIL whatever and all the Jihadi's, is the way to go. Again ..... just simple common sense.