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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:24 pm

Paphitis:

I told you before!

US Foreign Policies are inherited. The objectives never change. It's an apparatus and Deep State, and the POTUS is the figure Head a bit like a Monarch.


Rubbish! A President makes political decisions .... a (UK) Monarch just endorses Her governments policies.

There will be no change so Pootin can be reassured that he will have the presence of the Coalition in Syria until a comprehensive settlement and until DAESH are defeated by it.


The coalition will have no function in Syria once it is, as I believe will happen, handed over to Assad and Putin. Once YOU have defeated Daesh in Iraq YOU will join with the Russians maybe and do the same as YOU did in Iraq. But this time it will be a legal action because in that instance YOU will have an invitation.

It's the same thing in Australia. It doesn't matter if there is a Labor or Liberal/Conservative Government. The Department of Foreign Affairs, Defence Department, ASIO and ASIC are the Deep State. And the Deep State will never allow anyone or any Party to upset the apple cart over certain issues.


“DRAIN THE SWAMP!!!!” The ‘deep state’ will be flushed out and with a bit of luck, their powers greatly reduced if not wiped out and the power will return to the people through its elected government. What you do in Australia is of little interest .... you are just a contractor working for the US. :roll:

Remember, these countries funded a terrorist organization in Sinn Fein. Australia against its own Monarch (kid you not) along with America. Millions worth in embezzlements sent over as political donations through mysterious Australian and American NGOs. Why?


Just shows that neither the US or Australia ..... or any NATO country can be trusted!

Have you ever noticed a change in Foreign Policy?


You are delusional ...... what do you think a President is for...... decoration? :roll:

You will see a change of Foreign Policy when Trump and Putin talk, act like grown-ups and equals, to bring the Syrian War to an end. Then Trump will start telling the rest of NATO what they need to do if they want the US and other Members, to come to their aid if they are subject to an unprovoked attack. But, if say Latvia decides to ‘attack’ Russia, like Georgia did to its cost in Sth Ossetia, then the US will not come to their aid. Its called ‘... self inflicted injury.’
Tends to stop idiots starting wars! :roll: :x
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby Paphitis » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:27 pm

The POTUS has very little influence when it comes to things such as Russia, Syria, Iran and with the direction as dictated by important allies.

America is the leader of the Western World and needs consensus with NATO countries, Japan, Australia, South Korea in particular.

In other words, they can't unilaterally do the dirty on their allies.

The establishment is so set they want to burn the Iran Treaty which lifted the embargo.

Trump is already back tracking quite a bit. He is going to try and keep most of Obamacare. For Europe, that means they will be hit with Defence expenditure demands to meet minimum Quotas as defined by NATO. Everyone is gonna be told to pull their weight or else.
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby Paphitis » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:33 pm

No you are delusional. We are in Syria and that is where we will remain. We are about to embark on an offensive against Raqqa, and we will protect the SDF once Raqqa is in their possession.

We do not recognize the regime, which has murdered its own people and created 6 million displaced internally and 4 million refugees externally, 98% of which are Sunni Muslims.

Coalition isn't going anywhere and Trump's stance has harden ed against Iran as well. Russia and Iran are very much in the cross hairs.

Trump has no right at all to make any such decisions unilaterally. They are the leader of a Coalition and NATO and Trump will need to consult or face the consequences which will be dire and long lasting as far as America's status is concerned.

We are not going anywhere. The liberation of Raqqa has commenced. Not only that, but our Coalition is making Pootin look like a fool. We got him where we want him in a war he can't win against an unseen enemy.
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby miltiades » Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:41 pm

YOU are in Syria ? and YOU will remain in Syria.?
Mate, the priority, the only priority, is the end of this war. You have no say in the matter. You talk as if somehow YOU were running the coalition, you speak on behalf of the coaltion ?
Trump will talk to Putin and Trump will pull out.
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:24 pm

Paphitis wrote:The POTUS has very little influence when it comes to things such as Russia, Syria, Iran and with the direction as dictated by important allies.

Stop trying to convince your self that the US regards the coalition as anything but 'Proxies'. Trump will do what suits America ..... do you think he gives a toss about the Aussies ? Be realistic ..... Australia is important to China and it is only that link that the US has concerns about. What happens to Australia if the US tells you to impose sanctions on China and stop supplying them with all the raw materials for their 'war machine'? :roll:

America is the leader of the Western World and needs consensus with NATO countries, Japan, Australia, South Korea in particular.

In other words, they can't unilaterally do the dirty on their allies.

The establishment is so set they want to burn the Iran Treaty which lifted the embargo.

Trump is already back tracking quite a bit. He is going to try and keep most of Obamacare. For Europe, that means they will be hit with Defence expenditure demands to meet minimum Quotas as defined by NATO. Everyone is gonna be told to pull their weight or else.



POTUS dictates very much of what is US foreign policy.

The US won't desert their allies ...... he will just put a commercial price on being their 'Friend'. NATO countries in Europe are already quaking at the knees at the prospect of having to stand on their own two feet. The sabre rattling against Russia will now cool down a bit as a result. His approach seems about right to me. :roll:

He is, as you say, changing his approach to many things he said during the election campaign ....... but it is early days yet.

No ..... he is not keeping MOST of Obama care ..... he is modifying his proposal to incorporate SOME aspects of Obama care. Again, that seems the right approach to me.

His biggest challenge will be dealing with the financial system and the ..... dare I say it ...... New World Order? :? :x
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:35 pm

miltiades wrote:YOU are in Syria ? and YOU will remain in Syria.?

Mate, the priority, the only priority, is the end of this war. You have no say in the matter. You talk as if somehow YOU were running the coalition, you speak on behalf of the coalition ?

Trump will talk to Putin and Trump will pull out.


Exactly. :wink:
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby Get Real! » Sat Nov 12, 2016 8:06 pm

Robin Hood wrote:
miltiades wrote:YOU are in Syria ? and YOU will remain in Syria.?

Mate, the priority, the only priority, is the end of this war. You have no say in the matter. You talk as if somehow YOU were running the coalition, you speak on behalf of the coalition ?

Trump will talk to Putin and Trump will pull out.


Exactly. :wink:

I’ll have you fools know that Paphitis has a 1:10 scale replica of the entire ME battleground at home, from which he shifts figurines around and issues orders for new moves.
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby kurupetos » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:40 am

Some fools still hope the electoral college will change their vote in favor of Hillary. :lol:
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Nov 14, 2016 1:18 pm

Paphits:
US Foreign Policies are inherited. The objectives never change. It's an apparatus and Deep State, and the POTUS is the figure Head .......... a bit like a Monarch.

It's the same thing in Australia. It doesn't matter if there is a Labor or Liberal/Conservative Government. The Department of Foreign Affairs, Defence Department, ASIO and ASIC are the Deep State. And the Deep State will never allow anyone or any Party to upset the apple cart over certain issues.


I don’t think you understand what the implications are of what you are saying, and believe it or not, I agree with you in principal if not in the details and I have held the same view for many years. It is disingenuously referred to as ‘A conspiracy theory’ !!!

So what ARE you saying? :?: Very simply ...... THE USA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY !

The President, The Congress and The Senate are all voted into power by a democratic vote. But it is not they that run the country; above them is what you call the Deep State ..... or New World Order, Illuminate, The Elite, The 0.01% .... and other titles, but all-in-all we are talking of a very few (Maybe a couple of thousand people) that actually make the big decisions and use their overwhelming power to impose their will upon the The President and elected Government i.e. The People
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Never in history has there been an organisation this large and powerful that did not have a leadership ......... you could say a ‘Board of Directors’ which in turn would have a CEO. This ‘deep state’ is no different. But the one thing you cannot be sure of is who these people are, you could make a guess but that is all it would be ... a guess.

Throughout the campaign Clinton was obviously being backed by some very big , powerful people and organisations. They put Bernie Sanders in as Democratic padding and then dumped him (fraudulantly I believe?). To oppose them they had what they thought would be a pushover, in the form of Donald Trump. A no hoper they just laughed at. They completely misjudged how clued up people had become and they were far more aware of the state of the country and the corruption and apparent self serving attitude of their leaders, to the point they saw through Clintons smoke and mirrors.

When the Democrats and their backers woke up to the fact that Trump was a serious contender, they tried to use the fear factor, just like Cameron in the UK and just like Brexit it misfired. This is why Clinton tried the ‘Putin’ card, but that didn’t work either, the people had seen through that bullsh*t long before the election campaign. She even called Trump a ‘Russian spy and a traitor’ (or an accusation to that effect).

Then all the Wikileakes releases hit the internet and she accused the Russians of being behind it, in cahoots with Assange (with no proof of course) and instead of the sh*t sticking to Trump, it rebounded on her. The more ridiculous the accusations the bigger liar she appeared and the further she was dropping in popularity. But the ‘paid-for’ media kept telling the ‘approved’ story that Clinton was well ahead. Her backers realised she was a liability and dumped her ....... they now knew they had to compromise and deal with President Trump. :roll:

So just think about it? If this deep state is what you say then the coalition is being run by them, not the elected US Government and the same principal applies to NATO. The fear card is needed because this deep state needs an enemy and they have zeroed in on Russia, Iran and China and to a much lesser degree Assad.

I think Trump will try to ‘drain the swamp’ and that means flushing these few thousand into the open. To do that HE needs the support of the Military and The People, so he will do all he can to look out for both. Unfortunately, like JFK before him, it is likely that could also be his fate. Many previous Presidents have related the way this small number of evil people have high jacked their country, JFK being one and it most likely cost him his life.

Trumps problem is not going to be US Foreign Policy. The big problem facing him is any attempt to rein in the banking/financial system and Global Corporations...... that will be him signing his own death warrant! This Deep State IS those very people ...... the Bankers and the Industrialists, especially the Military Industrial Complex ..... and Eisenhower warned the world of that in his retirement(?) speech.

I think you are wrong about Syria and about NATO, neither of these will have anything like the impact he could have on the ‘deep state’ if he goes on a manhunt, using the US para-military police, US National Guard and the US troops he recalls from abroad. Like the campaign he has just fought he will get the backing of the many of the ordinary people, many of whom have nothing to lose. This is going to be a very interesting next 4 years. :roll: :wink:
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Re: Donald Trump the next USA President ??

Postby miltiades » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:07 am

Oh dearie me , some one will be very very unhappy:

" US President-elect Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin held their first telephone call on November 14. They discussed the crisis in Syria and agreed to improve the US-Russian relations.

The Kremlin said in a statement published on its website that the two leaders agreed that they share a common view on “uniting efforts in the fight with the common enemy number one – international terrorism and extremism” and discussed ways to settle the Syria crisis.

Trump and Putin paid attention to the importance of establishing a stable basis for bilateral relations by developing trade and economic ties between Russia and the US emphasized a need of “constructive cooperation.” Finally, they agreed to keep in contact by telephone and have discussed the idea of meeting in person.

Trump’s team has issued a statement on the phonecall saying Putin congratulated Trump on his election victory.

The statement says that Trump is “very much looking forward to having a strong and enduring relationship with Russia and the people of Russia.”
https://southfront.org/putin-trump-hold ... relations/
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