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[Lordo]

That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

Have you seen this one Lordo?

...count them. (at least) three governing bodies are implied.

it is not at least 3 levels rw. there is federal level and state level. and yes there will be 3 governing bodies not more. there are two other choices. unified state and two independent countries. now, if we cant agree on bbf we aint gona agree on unified so the only other alternative is two countries. take your pick.

[repulsewarrior]

...you should reread your stuff more carefully.

[Lordo]

you mean these? cannot be clearer

The leaders affirmed that a settlement would have a positive impact on the entire region, while first and foremost benefiting Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots, respecting democratic principles, human rights and fundamental freedoms, as well as each other's distinct identity and integrity and ensuring their common future in a united Cyprus within the European Union.

All citizens of the united Cyprus shall also be citizens of either the Greek-Cypriot constituent state or the Turkish-Cypriot constituent state.

The settlement will be based on a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality

Neither side may claim authority or jurisdiction over the other

[Kikapu]

finally the date of the referendum has been set

26th of march is when te referendum is going to take place.

Nonsense, given Akinci is demanding Turkish guarantees still, all you will get is a big fat vilo up your ass.

I think this is just a ploy on Akinci's part, to strengthen his hand to demand the Rotating Presidency in exchange for Turkey's guarantees.

Personally, I don't think Akinci will be able to get either.

[Kikapu]

you mean these? cannot be clearer

The leaders affirmed that a settlement would have a positive impact on the entire region, while first and foremost benefiting Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots, respecting democratic principles, human rights and fundamental freedoms, as well as each other's distinct identity and integrity and ensuring their common future in a united Cyprus within the European Union.

All citizens of the united Cyprus shall also be citizens of either the Greek-Cypriot constituent state or the Turkish-Cypriot constituent state.

The settlement will be based on a bi-communal, bi-zonal federation with political equality

Neither side may claim authority or jurisdiction over the other

Both sides will come under the "authority" of the Federal Government, to make sure each side comply with the Federal Laws. If they don't and start creating major political problems like wanting cessation from the union or some other bullshit, the Federal Government will send in the Federal soldiers to kick some ass.

[Lordo]

first of all tc population have no intention of leaving the union.

secondly the majority for each side will be in the federal law.

thirdly if anybody like in 1963 it will be the gc fascists who will try to use human rights to take away the tc majority in the north. just like in 1963 when they used the false impression that they were looking for their human rights to enosise with greace and destroy the roc.

and finally you forget that the federal soldiers will be made of 50/50 tc/gc and armed equally. if you think the tc soldiers will attack the tc state you have finally gone to the lunarland again.

but i will remind you of this statement too in good time.

[repulsewarrior]

...everyone will be under the Federal Government's Jurisdiction. There won't be "some" who won't, Lordo.

Where there is a Turkish Constituency one would expect Turkish spoken first, and Turkish the language commonly found on signs in commerce. Schools, Hospitals, and Social Services will be in Turkish (first) primarily, but Cypriots as Turcophones will be able to communicate in at least one other of the three languages that have Official Status. Whether the "Greeks" decide to appreciate the value of having a governance, as a Constituency or not, is mute. The Federal Government is superior to those that are identified similarly, as Government. For the moment, the Turkish population, those who are Turcophone, being Cypriot, have no equal because although the Republic exists, no Greek Constituency exists, no set of Cypriot Constituencies are recognised either.

...somehow, i still get the impression Lordo that in your mind there is two sides to this equation, "Greek"="Turk". Whereas it is more clearly defined as Individuals=Persons. And under the parameters which we have defined, the choices Cypriots have can be represented as, Federal Government=Individuals, (a set of) Cypriot Constituencies=Persons. Whether one is "Greek", or "Turkish" does not matter in effect, because it is the willingness to be Turcophone or Grecophone (and English speaking) which is the choice (although as Constituencies others could exist). Cypriots are Cypriots regardless.

[Lordo]

there are plenty of tcs in the north who can converse in all three languages. how many gcs can converse in tc rw. i suspect almost negligible.

when it comes to federal government representation will be 50 50. sure the states will follow the federal laws

para 3 does specify
The constituent states will exercise fully and irrevocably all their powers, free from encroachment by the federal government. The federal laws will not encroach upon constituent state laws, within the constituent states' area of competences

[Kikapu]

first of all tc population have no intention of leaving the union.

secondly the majority for each side will be in the federal law.

thirdly if anybody like in 1963 it will be the gc fascists who will try to use human rights to take away the tc majority in the north. just like in 1963 when they used the false impression that they were looking for their human rights to enosise with greace and destroy the roc.

and finally you forget that the federal soldiers will be made of 50/50 tc/gc and armed equally. if you think the tc soldiers will attack the tc state you have finally gone to the lunarland again.

but i will remind you of this statement too in good time.

So what you are saying is, TCs who are in the Federal military force who have sworn to defend the Federal constitution and the country from all enemies, foreign and domestic, will refuse to take any action should the need be in the "TC state". Is that what you are saying?

So what good is it to have any TCs in the Federal military if they wont take any action if it's needed in the north?

[Lordo]

first of all tc population have no intention of leaving the union.

secondly the majority for each side will be in the federal law.

thirdly if anybody like in 1963 it will be the gc fascists who will try to use human rights to take away the tc majority in the north. just like in 1963 when they used the false impression that they were looking for their human rights to enosise with greace and destroy the roc.

and finally you forget that the federal soldiers will be made of 50/50 tc/gc and armed equally. if you think the tc soldiers will attack the tc state you have finally gone to the lunarland again.

but i will remind you of this statement too in good time.

So what you are saying is, TCs who are in the Federal military force who have sworn to defend the Federal constitution and the country from all enemies, foreign and domestic, will refuse to take any action should the need be in the "TC state". Is that what you are saying?

So what good is it to have any TCs in the Federal military if they wont take any action if it's needed in the north?

i said what i meant. whay do you feel the need to expalin what i meant. my comment was clear and concise. if you dont understand it by all means expalin it to your self.

here is another one. the federal law makers will also be 50/50 tc/gc.

perhaps you can do usual and explain what i mean by this. unless of course you prefer to shove it in your pipe and try to smoke it.