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[DrCyprus]

[Lordo]

its not quite correct boy, the donkey on the right has to look like papaz.

kseris indan bu ine o papazzis. dje allonan nayni babathgya.

[DT.]

even if they had trials It will be fixed and the trial should be just like Nuremburg trials.

It was a state inspired policy to eradicate the tCs

I dont have faith in any part of the GC regime. with regards to all those TC villages that were massacred still now they are in denial. How can we then have a trial and how can we ever take those involved to task when It was supported by the state at the time .

well, then I won't ask for trials on the GC's that were massacred in 74. Lets start with you sending over your former "minister of agriculture" for shooting a GC live on CNN and for those 5 ottoman grey pussycats that also beat a GC to death live on tv. Its quite easy i can send you the video if you like.

[Lordo]

even if they had trials It will be fixed and the trial should be just like Nuremburg trials.

It was a state inspired policy to eradicate the tCs

I dont have faith in any part of the GC regime. with regards to all those TC villages that were massacred still now they are in denial. How can we then have a trial and how can we ever take those involved to task when It was supported by the state at the time .

well, then I won't ask for trials on the GC's that were massacred in 74. Lets start with you sending over your former "minister of agriculture" for shooting a GC live on CNN and for those 5 ottoman grey pussycats that also beat a GC to death live on tv. Its quite easy i can send you the video if you like.

why start at 74, why not dec 1963.

[DrCyprus]

even if they had trials It will be fixed and the trial should be just like Nuremburg trials.

It was a state inspired policy to eradicate the tCs

I dont have faith in any part of the GC regime. with regards to all those TC villages that were massacred still now they are in denial. How can we then have a trial and how can we ever take those involved to task when It was supported by the state at the time .

well, then I won't ask for trials on the GC's that were massacred in 74. Lets start with you sending over your former "minister of agriculture" for shooting a GC live on CNN and for those 5 ottoman grey pussycats that also beat a GC to death live on tv. Its quite easy i can send you the video if you like.

why start at 74, why not dec 1963.

why not 1571.

[MrH]

Post by Alectryon » Sat Dec 05, 2015 5:35 am
MrH, a number of months ago, you claimed that, in July 1974, you remember how angry Turkish soldiers were when they found murdered TC civilians "buried alive" in "village after village". And it was this discovery that prompted the "Second Operation".

Here are your exact words.

MrH wrote:
I was there on the day of 20th July 1974 and remember how angry the Turkish soldiers were when they found our Dead civilians buried alive - in village after village. This prompted the Second operation, and its eventual change of plan from restoring the Cyprus constitution to saving our people from the AKRITAS Plan. Turkish soldiers may have killed Greek soldiers, but not its women and children from 1963.

Read the "Genicide Files" by Harry Scott Gibbons:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1151 ... cide_Files
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Genocide-Files- ... 0951446428

and the AKRITAS Plan by the Greek Cypriot regime that is coincidentally now in Power!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akritas_plan

cyprus42300.html#p792476



Would you be kind enough to share with us the names of these villages and the dates Turkish soldiers discovered the murdered civilians ? Would you be kind enough to share with us which scholarly books discuss these pre-Second Operation massacres ? I have had no luck whatsoever confirming your claim.

I created a thread about this specific topic but no-one on this forum seems to aware any massacres before the Second Operation.
cyprus43478.html

I did find something about the 20th July "Alaminos Massacre" but there seems to be some confusion on the Turkish side whether the victims were women and children and elderly.... or TC fighters.
cyprus43479.html

It's a simple question, MrH. In which villages did the "angry soldiers" you met. discover mass graves of civilians before the Second Operation ?

Here.....

Even the UN and many other foreign observers have this well documented!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maratha,_Santalaris_and_Aloda_massacre

I had two members of my own family buried alive there too.

[MrH]

Remember, the Greek Cypriots/Greek EOKA B killed Turkish Civilians, while those Greek Cypriots killed around that time were done so by the Greek Military Junta. The World press and UN know what really happened............that's why the UN are powerless when the book is opened on Mass Graves in Cyprus. That's why the UN takes a back seat when they hear the lies of the current Greek Cypriot administration on this sensitive issue.

I am one of those whom represent the Turkish Cypriot position when this issue is raised by the Greek Cypriots. And, I am always the one whom wins the case, since 1963! Now it's our Journalist, law, political, NGOs and Foreign offices whom are all involved on this matter.

It's a shame the Greek Cypriots were quick to dismiss the fate of their so called Turkish Cypriot Compatriots when the events of 1974, 15th July 1974 occurred, and even more so when they befriended Greece again after 1974. It shows how two-faced your administration is again and again regarding ANYTHING Turkish.

[MrH]

In Case your Greek Cypriot Proxy service has an Pro-Turkish Blocking device LOL

Maratha, Santalaris and Aloda massacre

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Locations of massacres against Turkish Cypriots in 1974
Location Maratha, Santalaris, Aloda in Cyprus
Date 14 August 1974
Target Turkish Cypriot civilians
Weapons Machine guns, sharp tools
Deaths 126
Assailant EOKA B

Maratha, Santalaris and Aloda massacre (Turkish: Muratağa, Sandallar ve Atlılar katliamı) refers to the massacre[1][2][3][4][5] of Turkish Cypriots by EOKA B[4] on 14 August 1974[6] during the Turkish invasion of Cyprus in the villages of Maratha, Santalaris and Aloda. 89 (or 84[7]) people from Maratha and Santalaris were killed, and a further 37 people were killed in the village of Aloda.[8] In total, 126[9] people were killed during the massacre.[6]

Contents

1 Background
2 Massacre
3 Reactions
4 See also
5 References

Background

According to the 1960 census, the inhabitants of the three villages were entirely Turkish Cypriots.[10] The total population of Maratha and Santalaris was 207.[11] By 1973, the total population of the villages had risen to 270, with 124 in Maratha, 100 in Santalaris and 46 in Aloda. However, in July 1974, following the first Turkish invasion of Cyprus, all men of fighting age were taken away as prisoners of war to internment camps in Famagusta and from there transferred to Limassol.[12][13]
Massacre

On 20 July 1974, the men of the villages were arrested by EOKA-B and sent to Limassol. Following this, according to testimonials cited by Sevgül Uludağ, EOKA-B men from the neighboring village of Peristeronopigi came, got drunk in the camp they established in the village coffeehouse, fired shots in the air, and subsequently raped many women and young girls. The rape later included the boys and this continued till 14 August 1974. Upon the launch of the second invasion, they decided not to leave behind any witnesses and killed the entire population of the villages present at the time.[14][15]

In Maratha and Santalaris, 84-89 were killed. The imam of Maratha stated that there were 90 people in the village prior to the massacre, and only six people were left.[16] Elderly people and children were also killed during the massacre.[7] Only three people were able to escape from the massacre in Aloda.[1] The inhabitants of the three villages were buried in mass graves with a bulldozer. The villagers of Maratha and Santalaris were buried in the same grave.[1]

Associated Press described the corpses as "so battered and decomposed that they crumbled to pieces when soldiers lifted them from the garbage with shovels".[16] Milliyet reported that parts of the bodies had been chopped off and sharp tools, as well as machine guns had been used in the massacre.[17]

According to Greek Cypriot writer and researcher Tony Angastiniotis, at least one of the attackers used a mainland Greek accent, which suggested that he was a Greek officer.[18]
Reactions

The United Nations described the massacre as a crime against humanity, by saying "constituting a further crime against humanity committed by the Greek and Greek Cypriot gunmen."[19] The massacre was reported by international media, including The Guardian and The Times.[20]

Rauf Denktaş put off a meeting with Greek Cypriots after the mass grave was uncovered.[21]
See also

List of massacres in Cyprus

References

Oberling, Pierre. The road to Bellapais: the Turkish Cypriot exodus to northern Cyprus (1982), Social Science Monographs, p. 185
L'Événement du jeudi, Issues 543-547 (1995), S.A. L'Evénement du jeudi, p. 45 (French)
Documents officiels, United Nations: "Only three of the inhabitants of Atlilar (Aloa) survived this massacre. For the defenceless inhabitants of the villages of Murataga (Maratha) and Sandallar (Sandallaris)..."
Paul Sant Cassia, Bodies of Evidence: Burial, Memory, and the Recovery of Missing Persons in Cyprus, Berghahn Books, 2007, ISBN 978-1-84545-228-5, p. 237.
Gilles de Rapper, Pierre Sintès. Nommer et classer dans les Balkans (2008), French School of Athens, p.263: "le massacre des villages turcs de Tochni (entre Larnaka et Limassol), Maratha, Santalaris et Aloda"
"Muratağa and Sandallar problem is being taken to the European Court of Human Rights" (in Turkish). BRT - Kıbrıs Postası. Retrieved 18 January 2011.
"CYPRUS: Ankara's Slow Nibble". Time. 16 September 1974. Retrieved 19 January 2011.
Paul Sant Cassia, Bodies of Evidence: Burial, Memory, and the Recovery of Missing Persons in Cyprus, Berghahn Books, 2007, ISBN 978-1-84545-228-5, p. 69.
List of Turkish Cypriot missing persons (Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Cyprus) Retrieved on July 18, 2011.
Map of Cyprus
ΚΥΠΡΟΣ - CYPRUS (612 villages, 9251,47 Km²)
"Famagusta". PRIO Cyprus Center. Retrieved 3 April 2015.
"Aloa". PRIO Cyprus Center. Retrieved 3 April 2015.
Uludağ, Sevgül (13 July 2014). "From Maratha to Voni: Rapes as a weapon of war…". Politis. Retrieved 23 April 2015.
Uludağ, Sevgül. "The story of Assia (Pasakoy) and Afanya (Gazikoy)". Hamamböcüleri Journal. Retrieved 23 April 2015.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid= ... 020,430189
"İkinci Katliam", Milliyet, 2 September 1974, p. 10.
Asmussen, Jan. Cyprus at war: diplomacy and conflict during the 1974 crisis (2008), I.B. Tauris, p. 349: "Angastiniotis relates that at least one of the attackers had spoken with a mainland Greek accent suggesting that he had been a junior mainland officer."
UN monthly chronicle, Volume 11 (1974), United Nations, Office of Public Information, p. 98
Clement Henry Dodd, The political, social and economic development of Northern Cyprus (1993), Eothen Press, p. 101
"Turkish Cypriote Puts Off Meeting With Ethnic Greeks; American Heads Vatican Study". The New York Times. 3 September 1974.

[Maximus]

It appears that the design and logo of the new "Federal Republic of Cyprus" Flag has now been leaked to the press. Check out the attached file supplied. I have to admit, it doesn't look bad in the least!

This doesnt solve anything. It looks like many Cypriots wont identify with it.

Whats wrong with the current one?

[repulsewarrior]

...instead of solving problems, instead of building better, start "new" ones.