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[Kikapu]

...yesterday it was Obama and Erdogan shaking hands.

...but we know from wikileaks so long ago what is thought of Erdogan by the USA.

...curious.

Erdogan was always the useful idiot for the Americans. Now he has become the useless idiot for the Americans.

[Tim Drayton]

Sadly, the USA appears to be standing behind Erdoğan, though:

The United States said it rejected the premise that the Turkish government was in league with the militants to smuggle oil. "We frankly see no evidence, none, to support such an accusation," State Department spokesman Mark Toner said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/ ... trsWeGq.97

[B25]

Of course they don't, because it is the US that sanctions these moves. I guess we need to wait for Wikileaks to prove it.

[Lordo]

bullshit b25. ammeriga loves erdogan because he implement ammerigun policies to the letter. the last thing they want is functioning democracy.

[Kikapu]

Sadly, the USA appears to be standing behind Erdoğan, though:

The United States said it rejected the premise that the Turkish government was in league with the militants to smuggle oil. "We frankly see no evidence, none, to support such an accusation," State Department spokesman Mark Toner said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/ ... trsWeGq.97

Perception is not always the reality, Tim. America and NATO are boosting Erdogan's ego for him to get dirty and nasty with Putin, then they will stand back as Putins wipes the floor with Erdogan. Erdogan is already in deep shit with Putin by being called a terrorist and smuggling oil for the terrorist. That's the kind of label Erdogan will not be able to get rid off no matter what the Americans and NATO says on behalf of Erdogan. The damage has been already done and Erdogan is now a damaged goods.

[Tim Drayton]

Sadly, the USA appears to be standing behind Erdoğan, though:

The United States said it rejected the premise that the Turkish government was in league with the militants to smuggle oil. "We frankly see no evidence, none, to support such an accusation," State Department spokesman Mark Toner said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/ ... trsWeGq.97

Perception is not always the reality, Tim. America and NATO are boosting Erdogan's ego for him to get dirty and nasty with Putin, then they will stand back as Putins wipes the floor with Erdogan. Erdogan is already in deep shit with Putin by being called a terrorist and smuggling oil for the terrorist. That's the kind of label Erdogan will not be able to get rid off no matter what the Americans and NATO says on behalf of Erdogan. The damage has been already done and Erdogan is now a damaged goods.

I hope you're right. However, it seemed to me at the time of the recent elections in Turkey (the ones Erdoğan insisted be held because he didn't recognise the result in June!) was a perfect opportunity to get rid of him. If a non-AKP government could have been formed, the December 2013 anti-corruption investigations could have been reopened - and just the material that became public knowledge at that time makes it clear there is plenty to convict him and his crooked family and cronies on - and that would have been the end. The situation in the run up to the poll appeared to be so evenly balanced that surely a few clever interventions here and there could have swung things in the opposition's way. Instead, it looks like he was able to rig the poll with impunity. OK, maybe they genuinely didn't want to get embroiled in the elections, or perhaps it isn't as easy as I think to influence the result.
I just hope the Russians have some substantive evidence to back these claims up. Everything so far is very circumstantial and are things that most observers have been aware of anyway.

[Maximus]

Turkey elected people to run their country who are criminal and out rightly incompetent.

Look at this;

Obama tells Erdogan to close Syrian border
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/obama- ... sCatID=352

Turkey gives cold shoulder to US about closing Syrian border
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey ... sCatID=352

Russia violates international law by punishing Turkish businesses. The man is a deluded hypocrite.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/russia ... sCatID=352

Putin used to call me brave and bold. Erdogan.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/putin- ... sCatID=352

Some dangerous fools and their over estimations have been running Turkey for the past decade. Now they will run it in to the ground and turn it in to a smoking plume.

[MR-from-NG]

Sadly, the USA appears to be standing behind Erdoğan, though:

The United States said it rejected the premise that the Turkish government was in league with the militants to smuggle oil. "We frankly see no evidence, none, to support such an accusation," State Department spokesman Mark Toner said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/ ... trsWeGq.97

Perception is not always the reality, Tim. America and NATO are boosting Erdogan's ego for him to get dirty and nasty with Putin, then they will stand back as Putins wipes the floor with Erdogan. Erdogan is already in deep shit with Putin by being called a terrorist and smuggling oil for the terrorist. That's the kind of label Erdogan will not be able to get rid off no matter what the Americans and NATO says on behalf of Erdogan. The damage has been already done and Erdogan is now a damaged goods.

That's just water off a duck's back Kiks. The man has no shame, he has the skin of a crocodile. If you spit in his face he will think i'ts a raining. I just can't believe how stupid and illiterate the Turks are to keep a lunatic like him in power for all these years.

[Get Real!]

So you thought you heard it all eh?

http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/2015 ... dogan-says

[Maximus]

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on Thursday said Turkey had proof that Russia was involved in illegal oil trade with the terrorist organization Daesh in Syria, countering Russian allegations that Ankara was importing oil from the terrorists.

Typical Turkish Strategy,

While doing 'x', refute any accusations by others of doing 'x' then counter argue it by accusing them of doing 'x'.