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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:30 pm

cypriotnado wrote:It will be interesting to see if they divide up Syria somehow. Turkey is desperate to stop a Syrian Kurdish state on its borders. Assad is here to stay as the Russians need the base.


The Kurdish State is inevitable otherwise they Kurds in Turkey will tear Turkey up and there will be a Kurdish State in Turkish Borders.

You better behave yourself because the Kurds are our allies.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:31 pm

Some 1250 Turkish trucks blocked at Russian border
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/ ... OE20151130

Five ways Russian sanctions can hurt Turkey economy
http://news.yahoo.com/five-ways-russian ... 54829.html

Obama Demands That Turkey Close Stretch of Frontier with Syria
http://www.unz.com/pcockburn/war-with-i ... ith-syria/

Foolish Germany decides to "bomb Syria" with crappy 30 year old Tornadoes and no cooperation with Russia… recipe for disaster! <-- :roll:
http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20151 ... plans.html
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:33 pm

Welcome Frau Merkel to the team!

Tornadoes are great strike aircraft.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:34 pm

Paphitis wrote:The Internet is full of reports that Turkey is already conducting a defacto blockade of any Russian shipping through the Bosphorus. There are multiple Russian Ships which are reportedly dead in the water in the Boack Sea and Mediterranean.

Plenty of sources saying this but just waiting to get from a reputable source. Apparently CNN have reported this too but I can't seem to find it.

Looks like it's starting to get very serious.


Not according to one forum member's favourite ‘news’ source:

Smooth Sailing: No Troubles Reported for Russian Ships in the Bosphorus


http://sputniknews.com/world/20151201/1 ... arine.html

(Report from today)
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby cypriotnado » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:36 pm

Paphitis wrote:
cypriotnado wrote:It will be interesting to see if they divide up Syria somehow. Turkey is desperate to stop a Syrian Kurdish state on its borders. Assad is here to stay as the Russians need the base.


The Kurdish State is inevitable otherwise they Kurds in Turkey will tear Turkey up and there will be a Kurdish State in Turkish Borders.

You better behave yourself because the Kurds are our allies.



I think the Kurds are amazing and I personally hope they get a state in Syria and far better treatment, autonomy even independence in Turkey.
I just hope the allies don't do a dirty and betray them
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:36 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The Internet is full of reports that Turkey is already conducting a defacto blockade of any Russian shipping through the Bosphorus. There are multiple Russian Ships which are reportedly dead in the water in the Boack Sea and Mediterranean.

Plenty of sources saying this but just waiting to get from a reputable source. Apparently CNN have reported this too but I can't seem to find it.

Looks like it's starting to get very serious.


Not according to one forum member's favourite ‘news’ source:

Smooth Sailing: No Troubles Reported for Russian Ships in the Bosphorus


http://sputniknews.com/world/20151201/1 ... arine.html

(Report from today)


Apparently that is not the case.

I am going to check the shipping logs and see if I can find out something.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:37 pm

Just a minute, another report, also from today, from the same ‘reliable’ source:

Not Thinking Strait? Turkey Won't Let Russian Ships Into Bosphorus


http://sputniknews.com/world/20151201/1 ... trait.html
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:38 pm

cypriotnado wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
cypriotnado wrote:It will be interesting to see if they divide up Syria somehow. Turkey is desperate to stop a Syrian Kurdish state on its borders. Assad is here to stay as the Russians need the base.


The Kurdish State is inevitable otherwise they Kurds in Turkey will tear Turkey up and there will be a Kurdish State in Turkish Borders.

You better behave yourself because the Kurds are our allies.



I think the Kurds are amazing and I personally hope they get a state in Syria and far better treatment in Turkey.
Just hope the allies don't do a dirty


It's hard to know who our allies are. The only given is that the Coalition countries and the Kurds as well as the FSA are allies. There is a question mark against Turkey because they bombed one of our allies.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:40 pm

There does seem to be some debate as to whether Turkey is blocking the passage of Russian ships, or simply doing all it can to slow them down, but I can't find any reliable sources for this yet.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:41 pm

I don't allow too much freedom to websites on my main machine so you guys can check for me what's going on at the straights...

http://www.myshiptracking.com/

https://www.vesselfinder.com/

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/hom ... :40/zoom:7
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