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[Paphitis]

Boomerang,

Russia doesn't have the firepower to prevent coalition aircraft entering Syria and if they did they would be on a death wish if they endangered any of our aircraft.

As to being invited into Syria, I don't think the coalition cares. There is a war on against DAESH and we are even debating on deployment of troops.

At the end of the day, we don't care if the Syrian border is closed. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing because it is better for it to be closed from a Security perspective. Who in their right mind wants it open?

And no NATO did not tell Turkey to shoot it down. NATO only supports Turkey's right to defend its airspace and this is in NATO's interests. It's not like Greece which basically encourages Turkey to violate more. Turkey's actions provide Russia with significant discouragement.

We will see in the near future but the West won't be budgeing and Pootin has his hands full unless there is a Peace Treaty and for that to happen, Assad will have to go!

[boomerang]

paphitis all you say is YOUR opinion which you are entitled too...I provide links from various sources contrary to your thoughts...

Here is another one...

Putin sends air-defense missiles to Syria to deter Turkey
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/official-warns-of-security-threats-after-mali-hotel-assault/2015/11/24/d44681ec-930b-11e5-befa-99ceebcbb272_story.html

“Turkish planes violate the Syrian border daily, either for reconnaissance flights or for anti-IS operations,” he said. “In the same way that Turkey argues it has rules of engagement, Russia could also declare its own rules of engagement saying it has right to protect the skies of its ally.”

Interesting about the straits...you think turkey will declare war on Russia?...again declaring war on another state there won't be NATO involvement...

If turkey is attacked in Syria you do realise there won't be any NATO support...NATO support is when you get attacked in your OWN country...

Lets face it all the links I provided, some indirectly blame the turks and others come out and say it out loud...simple fact turkey f@cked up big time...

I will asked you before what are the gains for turkey downing a Russian plane...
and
how is downing a Russian plane is safe guarding the west's interest?...when even NATO is split on this action...

[Paphitis]

paphitis all you say is YOUR opinion which you are entitled too...I provide links from various sources contrary to your thoughts...

Here is another one...

Putin sends air-defense missiles to Syria to deter Turkey
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/official-warns-of-security-threats-after-mali-hotel-assault/2015/11/24/d44681ec-930b-11e5-befa-99ceebcbb272_story.html

“Turkish planes violate the Syrian border daily, either for reconnaissance flights or for anti-IS operations,” he said. “In the same way that Turkey argues it has rules of engagement, Russia could also declare its own rules of engagement saying it has right to protect the skies of its ally.”

Interesting about the straits...you think turkey will declare war on Russia?...again declaring war on another state there won't be NATO involvement...

If turkey is attacked in Syria you do realise there won't be any NATO support...NATO support is when you get attacked in your OWN country...

Lets face it all the links I provided, some indirectly blame the turks and others come out and say it out loud...simple fact turkey f@cked up big time...

I will asked you before what are the gains for turkey downing a Russian plane...
and
how is downing a Russian plane is safe guarding the west's interest?...when even NATO is split on this action...

Just look at what is hapenning! Our flights proceed on a daily basis and show no sign of slowing. The coalition is looking to deploy troops.

Sorry but I can't see Russia stopping our flights or asking for Flight Plans and if he did we would not comply in any case which leaves his only course of action is to engage America, France, Australia, UK, Jordan, UAE etc and I seriously don't think so.
There are big gains for Turkey in downing the Russian jet. Turkey has sent a big message to Moscow.

For the West, the biggest gain is the humiliation of Pootin.

[boomerang]

again hear say and an opinion...no proof in what you are saying...I provided links saying NATO is split...I provided links saying NATO is no comfortable with turkey's actions...

please outline for me turkey's win on this, don't just say "they send a message"...it means nothing because not only they are not allowed to fly into Syria because for sure the rules of engagement have changed, the PKK will be armed to the teeth, keeping the civil war I turkey in perpetuity to even the hotels in turkey are crying...all the links are provided to back these claims from independent sources...

OR

are you under the impression the world is going to enter a self destruction mode...there is a reason for these willy nukes paphitis...its called MAD...so if you think the US is gonna go this far because of the turks f@ck up I think you are living in a la la land...

PS...have you read the articles/links I posted?...

[Paphitis]

again hear say and an opinion...no proof in what you are saying...I provided links saying NATO is split...I provided links saying NATO is no comfortable with turkey's actions...

please outline for me turkey's win on this, don't just say "they send a message"...it means nothing because not only they are not allowed to fly into Syria because for sure the rules of engagement have changed, the PKK will be armed to the teeth, keeping the civil war I turkey in perpetuity to the even the hotels in turkey are crying...all the links are provided to back these claims from independent sources...

OR

are you under the impression the world is going to enter a self destruction mode...there is a reason for these willy nukes paphitis...its called MAD...so if you think the US is gonna go this far because of the turks f@ck up I think you are living in a la la land...

PS...have you read the articles/links I posted?...

You are posting your opinion and believe that Russia is going to escalate and hit us!

I am calling that bluff right now. There is no way but if that is what you believe then fine, as we will find out soon enough.

No I have not read those links.

[boomerang]

the only one posting opinions is you because not only you have not read any of the credible links I posted but you continue to not provide any links that might even come close to back up any of your claims...

BTW...there is no bluff paphitis...remember MAD...the US OR Russia are not going to escalate to a point of no return because of turkey f@ck up...the us will deal with turkey if they haven't already...

turkey will have to watch from the sidelines, because there is no way in hell Russia is gonna sit at the same table as the turks and guess what, the us will go along with this...

again turkey was invited into NATO to safe guard western interests and not to endanger them...

an answered question

I will asked you before what are the gains for turkey downing a Russian plane...
and
how is downing a Russian plane is safe guarding the west's interest?...when even NATO is split on this action...

anyway I see it a fruitless exercise in continuing to discuss anything any further...it doesn't make any sense...you not reading/providing links and just projecting your own take...

[Paphitis]

the only one posting opinions is you because not only you have not read any of the credible links I posted but you continue to not provide any links that might even come close to back up any of your claims...

BTW...there is no bluff paphitis...remember MAD...the US OR Russia are not going to escalate to a point of no return because of turkey f@ck up...the us will deal with turkey if they haven't already...

turkey will have to watch from the sidelines, because there is no way in hell Russia is gonna sit at the same table as the turks and guess what, the us will go along with this...

again turkey was invited into NATO to safe guard western interests and not to endanger them...

an answered question

I will asked you before what are the gains for turkey downing a Russian plane...
and
how is downing a Russian plane is safe guarding the west's interest?...when even NATO is split on this action...

anyway I see it a fruitless exercise in continuing to discuss anything any further...it doesn't make any sense...you not reading/providing links and just projecting your own take...

They are all opinions even those links you posted.

NATO has no obligation to support a Thrkish Buffer zone so the mere suggestion is ridiculous that NATO will commit troops to invade and annex Syrian territory. Turkey still has to play the game.

NATO will support Turkey in defending its Aurspace and support it against any reprisals.

Our operations continue. They won't stop. As our coalition has the might, we are right! We don't have to pay any attention to Pootin. We just bomb DAESH and supply Assad's opponents. If Pootin don't like it then he only knows what to do!

My opinion is based on very simplistic facts. Pootin will need to attack our assets in Syria if he has the balls and we all know that is not the case!

[boomerang]

yes paphitis the difference between your opinion and the opinions from the articles are like chalk and cheese...you actually think that you are in a better position than the chech member of NATO?...lol... i am surprised that you even tried to sneak this one through...now as an exercise I am not going to tell you which article quoted him, and bear in mind for an article to quote him means he spilled the beans after the meeting and outside the NATO offices...

My opinion is based on very simplistic facts. Pootin will need to attack our assets in Syria if he has the balls and we all know that is not the case!

you do not have any assets in Syria...you have cannon fodder and they are continuously decimated...no point in posting links coz you ain't going to read them...but let me give you a bit of advice...late 20th and early 21st century GOOGLE tried to be your friend... lol

[Paphitis]

yes paphitis the difference between your opinion and the opinions from the articles are like chalk and cheese...you actually think that you are in a better position than the chech member of NATO?...lol... i am surprised that you even tried to sneak this one through...now as an exercise I am not going to tell you which article quoted him, and bear in mind for an article to quote him means he spilled the beans after the meeting and outside the NATO offices...

My opinion is based on very simplistic facts. Pootin will need to attack our assets in Syria if he has the balls and we all know that is not the case!

you do not have any assets in Syria...you have cannon fodder and they are continuously decimated...no point in posting links coz you ain't going to read them...but let me give you a bit of advice...late 20th and early 21st century GOOGLE tried to be your friend... lol

Oh we have assets in Syria and our crews are no cannon fodder.

We have only lost 1 Jordanian aircraft.

Russia has lost one in a matter of weeks. In addition our pilots are paid a salary, a livable salary.

Pootin has the cannon fodder and that has been the case for the Soviet Union and Russia since WW2 where they use to shoot their own soldiers in the back!

[boomerang]

yes paphitis the difference between your opinion and the opinions from the articles are like chalk and cheese...you actually think that you are in a better position than the chech member of NATO?...lol... i am surprised that you even tried to sneak this one through...now as an exercise I am not going to tell you which article quoted him, and bear in mind for an article to quote him means he spilled the beans after the meeting and outside the NATO offices...

My opinion is based on very simplistic facts. Pootin will need to attack our assets in Syria if he has the balls and we all know that is not the case!

you do not have any assets in Syria...you have cannon fodder and they are continuously decimated...no point in posting links coz you ain't going to read them...but let me give you a bit of advice...late 20th and early 21st century GOOGLE tried to be your friend... lol

Oh we have assets in Syria and our crews are no cannon fodder.

We have only lost 1 Jordanian aircraft.

Russia has lost one in a matter of weeks. In addition our pilots are paid a salary, a livable salary.

Pootin has the cannon fodder and that has been the case for the Soviet Union and Russia since WW2 where they use to shoot their own soldiers in the back!

200 yanks and a rag tag army hanging around Syria wouldn't classify as assets but rather cannon fodder...russia has assets in syria..which decimate "your" assets on a daily basis and your NATO stands there watching them...and why is that?...you would think NATO would do something about wouldn't you?...any idea as to why Russia decimates your assets and NATO stands idle watching from the sidelines?...but then again the us sold out your YPG cannon fodder to the turks anyway by allowing to turks to bomb them...here is a situation where the US arms the kurds and the turks bomb them, some assets huh... lol

oh paphitis the only way you come to a gun fight is to bring a gun and not a knife......you really need to let GOOGLE become your friend and set your mind free...

BTW when you say reprisals you do mean inside turkey, because if turkey ventures out of turkey and gets attacked there won't be reprisals...you do know this right...

turkey attacked a bomber with, from memory, no air to air capabilities...like attacking someone with his hands tied behind his back...

anyway you are going off topic...and again no links...what is it with you and no links?... lol