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[Mustiejodu]

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End of Turkey doesn't necessarily mean the wiping out of its civilians. They are probably talking about the Erdoganian Sultanate government that's pretty much doing what you suggest as evil to the people of Syria by funding ISIS.

It's funny that your answering on behalf of another persons comment or their way of thinking. . How do you know what this person is thinking ? Have you examined this persons state of mind to answer on behalf of this person . Island girl can correct herself however as you can see she does not respond and silence tells a thousand words . Did you not know that . Since I have been in this forum I have tested her viewpoint and it has all ways been the same . With every negative comment she has made which is all ways negative . I find it facinating how the narrow mind works . It's automatic with some of my subjects on this forum . Believe me if I said to you that I can do an experiment on some one like island girl to prove to you the irrational and incomprehensible behaviour some people have . It's just pure hatred and lack of ability to process normal thinking . I once came across some one like island girl well actually I came across a few in my life time like island girl and until they realised that I was Turkish they were chatting away until I told them my name . I was horrified at their reaction because I knew they were Greek and felt no different in any way towards them . This was not in Cyprus but in the uk where you can be anyone off any culture . It has not changed my opinion of Greeks as I treat each situation individually because my brain is rational and my brain says not every person is the same so I can't hate all Greeks .

[Mustiejodu]

I will respond to that idiot addict and that plonker sotos . Firstly I don't know what fucking drugs your on but you need to stop taking them . Both of you . Is Greece not in nato ? Secondly you can go on about Islamist until your black and blue . You can try to attempt to label Turks or any real Muslims as is new found word Islamist which I really don't know what this word means . Are you a Christianist ? What is a christsnist ?

[Mustiejodu]

From Guardian:

Meanwhile, a US official has said that initial indications are that the Russian incursion into Turkish airspace lasted a matter of seconds.

Many NATO countries will not be happy with Turkey trying to manipulate them into a conflict with Russia... even the Americans might be pissed at the Turks for taking such initiatives which aim to serve the Turkish interests alone at the expense of the interests of most other countries.

I will answer you and that idiot island girl at the same time . What manipulation is there that you can demonstrate to me . There are very clear instances that occurred here but firstly you need to realise that there was on many occasions warnings by America and Nate that as so many countries are involved in air strikes at such close range that inevitably there would be instances of this nature . Russia had on numerous occasions violated airspace and you need to realise the atmosphere is very tense in that region so there needs to be uppermost caution. Turkey is not happy that they have to take the biggest pressure of 2 million refugees from Syria which are now starting to spill over to Greece and Cyprus and the rest of Europe . There is one interest that everyone has and we all have to focus on the main goal which is to wipe Isis out . Once that is achieved we can send all these refugees back to Syria so we all have a vested interest in turkey and all countries that are constantly bombing Isis targets . It's Russia that has their own interests which are in conflict with the rest . Which side are you on

Cut the excuses with the airspace violation... if such thing happened it was for less than 5 seconds. How many times have the Turkish planes violated Greek airspace? And what about Cyprus... they occupy 1/3rd of the territory of a UN and EU member state. And then there are the numerous times that the Turkish army and airforce entered Iraq and Syria to attack the Kurds... not just recently but before also. The fact is that all those involved, including Turkey and Russia, support their own interests and they don't give a fuck about those who suffer on the ground... none of them cares about democracy in that region... which is unattainable in the mid-term anyway since the majority of that population doesn't have democracy in its culture to begin with. Any new regime will be as bad or even worst than the one of Assad. We are the victims of Turkish aggression and expansionism and therefore we support Russia in this. (and by "we" I mean real native Cypriots... not foreigners like Paphitis)

I actually agreed with your point until you fucked it all up by saying you support Russia because they are exactly the same as all aggressive expansionist countries so basically it's a matter of who you want to choose to support because there are no lesser evils here . Did Russia not recently invade a small country and you now stand by them . You are so fucking two faced it's shocking . America, France , turkey , Syria Russia etc etc have all their own interests oh and uk . He who can is pushing their Influence around the world for their own interests . All these countries in one form or the other do the same to weaker or smaller countries . You done it to Turkish Cypriots who are the minority and you still would given the chance so I will be honest at least because I think there needs to be some honesty here and say this to you that I support turkey if they are in the wrong or right because I have comradeship with them and although they are cunts just like the rest including Russia I choose those cunts to support .

[Paphitis]

According to BBC it was 1km inside Turkey and 6 km high, an easy mistake to make at several hundred MPH. Turkey should have warned Putin about the consequences of repeated incursions rather than shoot a plane down. I doubt NATO will be too happy about Turkey's trigger happy pilots. Would Turkey have dared to shoot down a Russian plane if it was not a member of NATO - I doubt it.

They did warn Pootin many times and even called the Russian Ambassador in.

An incursion, even for a mere 20 seconds is still an incursion, and the risk is that the aircraft will be engaged which it was.

[Paphitis]

Turkey's gone running to hide behind NATO's apron-strings now.

Regional ambitions for Turkey are history as reality is now biting the Ottoman's on the bum!!

NATO stick together.

Otherwise what's the point?

[Paphitis]

From Guardian:

Meanwhile, a US official has said that initial indications are that the Russian incursion into Turkish airspace lasted a matter of seconds.

Many NATO countries will not be happy with Turkey trying to manipulate them into a conflict with Russia... even the Americans might be pissed at the Turks for taking such initiatives which aim to serve the Turkish interests alone at the expense of the interests of most other countries.

I wouldn't say that at all.

NATO has Article 5. All States Know their obligations.

[Paphitis]

From Guardian:

Meanwhile, a US official has said that initial indications are that the Russian incursion into Turkish airspace lasted a matter of seconds.

Many NATO countries will not be happy with Turkey trying to manipulate them into a conflict with Russia... even the Americans might be pissed at the Turks for taking such initiatives which aim to serve the Turkish interests alone at the expense of the interests of most other countries.

This time Turkey has taken on a nation a million times its own size!!

I wouldn't worry about it.

Do you think they look scared?

If Pootin does something stupid, Turkey will defeat them. It is strong enough to turn Pootin's little adventure into a nightmare.

[Paphitis]

I see the BBC is taking the Turds side.

Of course!

[Paphitis]

Putin: We have been stabbed in the back "
Warns of serious consequences .

Pootin is having a cry.

[Paphitis]

First of all… RIP Major Sergey Rumyantsev from Chelyabinsk and the copilot whose name or picture I don't have. They were murdered by a ISIS supporting Turkish thug while ridding the plagued ME of terrorist monkeys.

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Having screwed up Erdogan, will no doubt have been scrambling on the phone all day non-stop trying to get assurances of military support but on this occasion Turkey is NOT entitled to collective self-defense rights under NATOS' Article V because Turkey is the instigator and I’m sure Ankara has been warned by NATO multiple times not to shoot at Russian planes for obvious reasons.

Furthermore, Turkey is a constant violator of Syrian and Iraqi airspace so that defeats their pitiful argument about protecting their airspace regardless of whether the Russians were inside or outside of it for a fraction of a second it would take a fighter jet to traverse that tiny area I’ve seen on the map.

Some Russian sources are already calling this an act of war but that’s not the official Russian position as yet but what’s Turkey going to do if Russia interprets this as an act of war and starts trashing Turkey with long-range ballistic missiles at their leisure or cruise-missiles their government buildings, palaces, military installations, etc?

Well Turkey can do fuck all because Russia has the power to turn Turkey into glass from very long distances if they so desire and I’m pretty confident that nobody would come to Turkey’s rescue because (1) Turkey instigated this, (2) Turkey is an Islamic state, (3) NATO will not risk WWIII for the sake of Turkey the Islamic state.

Finally, over the years I’ve seen many signs that NATO does have two sets of rules as is the case with pretty much everything in the West where double standards is the name of the real game.

Russia would be very foolish to not respond within 72 hours as it would be seen as a serious weakness worldwide and something that would encourage an illiterate hothead like Erdogan to repeat such acts while hiding behind NATO thereby jeopardizing Russia’s mission in Syria.

The Russian response should be swift and very decisive so as to both punish the perpetrator and send a very strong message to other ISIS supporters in the region such as Saudi Arabia, that terrorism sponsoring will not be tolerated.

I see this as Putin’s opportunity to put an END to the ISIS debacle not only through bombings which are clearly insufficient but by cutting off all funds and supplies to ISIS through collective punishment of criminal states that support them.

They were killed by Turkmen Rebels not ISIS.

The same pilots were dropping bombs on this minority group trying to survive so hardly surprising.

However, I do not condone the killings.