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[Lordo]

Why is Turkey here?

"...the Treaty of Lausanne forbade Turkey from involvement in former Ottoman territories. The British government's motive, as we shall see from the documents*, was simply to divide Greece and Turkey, and Greek and Turkish Cypriots, to facilitate its continuing hold on Cyprus".

"Britain and Cyprus", W. Mallinson, p.5

there is an old terggish proverb.

"sudan gelen selle gider" by l lordo

translated - you will lose what you have stolen.

Does that mean a free Cyprus?
Sweet.

quite the opposite. the fact that you lost it is because you had stolen it from the natives 300 bb
you came along to clean cyprus that had 7000 years of history with natives with your smelly dress wearing soldiers and you wipe out the natives and claim you are natives. you are stupid is what you are. stupid.

[Sotos]

It is NOT implied that people who are not native should leave. That is like saying that almost all Americans should leave from the USA because they are not Native Americans or that all Whites should leave from South Africa. I will ask you the same question as I asked Erolz: Are the children, grandchildren etc of the Settlers "Cypriots"? In your case I will go a step further: Are they NATIVE Cypriots? I think the answer is clearly that they are NOT native Cypriots, so there is a cut-off point somewhere, otherwise everybody born in Cyprus would be "native Cypriot". The Turks came to Cyprus at about the same time that the English, Spanish, French etc were colonizing America, Africa, Australia, Asia etc... and those Europeans are clearly not considered native in those parts of the world. The native people could certainly have some additional rights in the cases that those people are now minorities... but in our case that we are the majority we don't need any additional rights other than the standard Human and Majority Rights.

The whole issue of 'native' or not is simply irrelevant. GC did not want a post colonial future for Cyprus that was was different from and an anathema to TC because they were 'native'. They wanted such because they chose to place being Greek ahead of being Cypriot based on an ideology that said to be Cypriot means to be Greek. TC did not want a post colonial future for Cyprus that was different from and anathema to GC because they were 'not native'. They wanted such because they chose to place being 'not Greek' (Turkish or TC) ahead of being Cypriot.

Today we can choose to define what it means to be Cypriot as something greater than and independent from our differences as GC and TC or we can continue to define what it means to be Cypriot by those differences. The choice is ours. I know which of those approaches I believe holds the best chance of us being able to build a better Cyprus for all Cypriots than the one we have today.

And how we defined ourselves is in turn irrelevant as well because foreigners imposed their terms on us forcefully and/or with blackmail. Either you accept it or not there are huge differences between us... plus a history of wars which inevitably creates mistrust. So if somebody with power wanted to exploit those differences it would in any case be extremely easy. The UK used just a small difference in religion to divide Ireland and you think it would have been difficult to create conflict between people who have totally different religions, languages and cultures, plus a history of wars? The problem is that the Turks choose to become our enemy by invading us and then they introduced a hostile and foreign to us population to our island. Beyond that it would always be extremely easy for any power to exploit our differences and history of war and mistrust. This is what Turkey continues to do. The solution can come only if there is an end to foreign involvement, either voluntary or by us defeating them.

[insan]

It is NOT implied that people who are not native should leave. That is like saying that almost all Americans should leave from the USA because they are not Native Americans or that all Whites should leave from South Africa. I will ask you the same question as I asked Erolz: Are the children, grandchildren etc of the Settlers "Cypriots"? In your case I will go a step further: Are they NATIVE Cypriots? I think the answer is clearly that they are NOT native Cypriots, so there is a cut-off point somewhere, otherwise everybody born in Cyprus would be "native Cypriot". The Turks came to Cyprus at about the same time that the English, Spanish, French etc were colonizing America, Africa, Australia, Asia etc... and those Europeans are clearly not considered native in those parts of the world. The native people could certainly have some additional rights in the cases that those people are now minorities... but in our case that we are the majority we don't need any additional rights other than the standard Human and Majority Rights.

The whole issue of 'native' or not is simply irrelevant. GC did not want a post colonial future for Cyprus that was was different from and an anathema to TC because they were 'native'. They wanted such because they chose to place being Greek ahead of being Cypriot based on an ideology that said to be Cypriot means to be Greek. TC did not want a post colonial future for Cyprus that was different from and anathema to GC because they were 'not native'. They wanted such because they chose to place being 'not Greek' (Turkish or TC) ahead of being Cypriot.

I believe that our ethnicities, nativeness, how long it's been we dwell on this island, our political views etc.has essentially nothing to do with living together on this island as whatever we are under the rule of a best possible state model; united... all we need is respecting each other's rights and concerns under any circumstances... if there's no respect for rights and concerns; you can't even keep a family together under one umbrella...

[Get Real!]

there is an old terggish proverb.

"sudan gelen selle gider" by l lordo

translated - you will lose what you have stolen.

Here's a GR proverb.... "Heed your Turkish proverbs!"

[erolz66]

And how we defined ourselves is in turn irrelevant as well because foreigners imposed their terms on us forcefully and/or with blackmail.

Was the desire of GC for a post colonial future for Cyprus that made Cyprus a region of a greater Greek nation something imposed on us by foreigners ?

Either you accept it or not there are huge differences between us...

I accept that there are differences between us. The only question is, is there a greater commonality of 'being Cypriot' than can bind us together as a unitary Cypriot people despite these differences and do we want to be bound together as such. If there is not or we do not want there to be then there can never be a peaceful unitary Cypriot people made up of both GC and TC alike. All there can ever be is two different and separate peoples who both consider Cyprus their home.

[Lordo]

there is an old terggish proverb.

"sudan gelen selle gider" by l lordo

translated - you will lose what you have stolen.

Here's a GR proverb.... "Heed your Turkish proverbs!"

clearly you boys did not.

[Sotos]

Was the desire of GC for a post colonial future for Cyprus that made Cyprus a region of a greater Greek nation something imposed on us by foreigners ?

My point is exactly that our desires were totally ignored and what was imposed was what some foreigners wanted.

I accept that there are differences between us. The only question is, is there a greater commonality of 'being Cypriot' than can bind us together as a unitary Cypriot people despite these differences and do we want to be bound together as such. If there is not or we do not want there to be then there can never be a peaceful unitary Cypriot people made up of both GC and TC alike. All there can ever be is two different and separate peoples who both consider Cyprus their home.

It doesn't matter how many commonalities exist because our differences are big enough that can be easily exploited by those who want to use the TCs as an excuse to serve their own interests.

[Sotos]

It is NOT implied that people who are not native should leave. That is like saying that almost all Americans should leave from the USA because they are not Native Americans or that all Whites should leave from South Africa. I will ask you the same question as I asked Erolz: Are the children, grandchildren etc of the Settlers "Cypriots"? In your case I will go a step further: Are they NATIVE Cypriots? I think the answer is clearly that they are NOT native Cypriots, so there is a cut-off point somewhere, otherwise everybody born in Cyprus would be "native Cypriot". The Turks came to Cyprus at about the same time that the English, Spanish, French etc were colonizing America, Africa, Australia, Asia etc... and those Europeans are clearly not considered native in those parts of the world. The native people could certainly have some additional rights in the cases that those people are now minorities... but in our case that we are the majority we don't need any additional rights other than the standard Human and Majority Rights.

The whole issue of 'native' or not is simply irrelevant. GC did not want a post colonial future for Cyprus that was was different from and an anathema to TC because they were 'native'. They wanted such because they chose to place being Greek ahead of being Cypriot based on an ideology that said to be Cypriot means to be Greek. TC did not want a post colonial future for Cyprus that was different from and anathema to GC because they were 'not native'. They wanted such because they chose to place being 'not Greek' (Turkish or TC) ahead of being Cypriot.

I believe that our ethnicities, nativeness, how long it's been we dwell on this island, our political views etc.has essentially nothing to do with living together on this island as whatever we are under the rule of a best possible state model; united... all we need is respecting each other's rights and concerns under any circumstances... if there's no respect for rights and concerns; you can't even keep a family together under one umbrella...

The problem is that you want for yourselves "rights" which are not justified for an 18% minority (and which you don't give to minorities in Turkey).

[Get Real!]

Sotos and all like-minded idiots from the past, is why Cyprus is partially enslaved by Turks. If anything TCs should be grateful that such idiots existed (and apparently still exist) or there wouldn’t be a “TRNC” today… let’s face it.

Once a year TCs should hold a festival and invite Sotos and a few other idiots to celebrate their collaboration with Turkey to grant you a state.

A statue of Sotos at a busy square is in order.

It’s high time TCs started giving credit where credit is due!

[cypriotnado]

Sotos and all like-minded idiots from the past, is why Cyprus is partially enslaved by Turks. If anything TCs should be grateful that such idiots existed (and apparently still exist) or there wouldn’t be a “TRNC” today… let’s face it.

Once a year TCs should hold a festival and invite Sotos and a few other idiots to celebrate their collaboration with Turkey to grant you a state.

A statue of Sotos at a busy square is in order.

It’s high time TCs started giving credit where credit is due!

Well said!