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[cypriotnado]

Cyprus is today divided because Cypriots sought a post colonial Cyprus based not on their commonalities as Cypriots regardless of their ethnic background but ones based on their differences that were mutualy exclusive as such and proved all to willing to use illegal violence and murder against entirely innocent Cypriots in the pursuit of these goals. Cypriots intimidated and murdered Cypriots of their own communities that advocated creating a united Cyprus. Cypriots killed and murdered innocent Cypriots for no other reasons that they were from the 'other' community. No group is more responsible by their choices, their actions and their lack of actions, for the division we have today in Cyprus than Cypriots. One of the many commonalities that many GC and TC share is the tendency to instinctively seek to blame everyone and anyone but themselves for everything and anything.

That is because we are different. We are the native population, who are Greek and Christian, and the Turks are a foreign to us culture / religion / language which was imposed on our island against our will. Should we blame ourselves for having the bad luck of being invaded by the Turks? I am not against finding as many commonalities as possible, but your position is wrong as a matter of principle. If tomorrow we are invaded by Arab Islamist fundamentalists and they manage to hold on to Cyprus for a couple of centuries creating an Arab minority in Cyprus, would that mean that when we manage to gain our freedom that we would have to find a commonality between Sharia law and Islamic religious fundamentalism, and our aspiration for a European democratic Cyprus? Of course no. We will respect your human rights, you can have some minority rights like in other democratic countries, if there are some commonalities GREAT, but beyond that we are not obligated to sacrifice our principles and aspirations to satisfy the demands of every minority.

Sotos you do write some racist dribble. You share the language of the Nazis, the BNP and the Front Nationale who also talk of Natives and the Christian crusade. They also trash the religions of others the Jews in the case of Nazis. And like most racists you have no answers as to how your greek utopia, your final solution will come about. All you have is a fantasy land created in your head. How are you going to get the Turkish Cypriots to accept this second class status and return to the enclaves, how are you going to rid Cyprus of the 150-200,000 settlers whose numbers grow daily and the Turksh army. How are you going to reverse partition and ethnic cleansing. Pray tell......

[Sotos]

Cyprus is today divided because Cypriots sought a post colonial Cyprus based not on their commonalities as Cypriots regardless of their ethnic background but ones based on their differences that were mutualy exclusive as such and proved all to willing to use illegal violence and murder against entirely innocent Cypriots in the pursuit of these goals. Cypriots intimidated and murdered Cypriots of their own communities that advocated creating a united Cyprus. Cypriots killed and murdered innocent Cypriots for no other reasons that they were from the 'other' community. No group is more responsible by their choices, their actions and their lack of actions, for the division we have today in Cyprus than Cypriots. One of the many commonalities that many GC and TC share is the tendency to instinctively seek to blame everyone and anyone but themselves for everything and anything.

That is because we are different. We are the native population, who are Greek and Christian, and the Turks are a foreign to us culture / religion / language which was imposed on our island against our will. Should we blame ourselves for having the bad luck of being invaded by the Turks? I am not against finding as many commonalities as possible, but your position is wrong as a matter of principle. If tomorrow we are invaded by Arab Islamist fundamentalists and they manage to hold on to Cyprus for a couple of centuries creating an Arab minority in Cyprus, would that mean that when we manage to gain our freedom that we would have to find a commonality between Sharia law and Islamic religious fundamentalism, and our aspiration for a European democratic Cyprus? Of course no. We will respect your human rights, you can have some minority rights like in other democratic countries, if there are some commonalities GREAT, but beyond that we are not obligated to sacrifice our principles and aspirations to satisfy the demands of every minority.

Sotos you do write some racist dribble. You share the language of the Nazis, the BNP and the Front Nationale who also talk of Natives and the Christian crusade. They also trash the religions of others the Jews in the case of the Nazis. Turkish Cypriots have lived on the island for hundreds of years. And like most racists you have no answers as to how your greek utopia, your final solution will come about. All you have is a fantasy land created in your head. How are you going to get the Turkish Cypriots to accept this second class status and return to the enclaves, how are you going to rid Cyprus of the 150-200,000 settlers whose numbers grow daily and the Turksh army. How are you going to reverse partition and ethnic cleansing. Pray tell......

The Nazis and the Crusaders were invading foreign to them lands... like the Turks did to us. The racists are the Turks who discriminated against the native Cypriot people for centuries and insist on such a discrimination even in the 20th and 21st centuries! And where did I trash your religion? What I say is the FACT that we are DIFFERENT... different religion, different language, different ethnicity, different culture... and that is a result of the Turks invading our island and bringing their Settlers on our island who never assimilated with the native population. So the idea that the native majority is obligated to think of the future of Cyprus exclusively in terms of "commonalities" with whatever foreign to us culture was introduced to our island by recent Colonialists is bogus. The solution is democracy and human rights and you respecting the Majority Rights of the native population while we respect your Minority Rights. If you refuse to respect our Majority Rights and several of our Human Rights then clearly there can be NO solution since nothing that lacks those basic principles can be considered a "solution" for us. Therefore the only way to solve our problem would be to win a war against you if and when that becomes possible. If you have any other suggestions of how we can solve the problems you created to us then please tell me.

[cypriotnado]

Cyprus is today divided because Cypriots sought a post colonial Cyprus based not on their commonalities as Cypriots regardless of their ethnic background but ones based on their differences that were mutualy exclusive as such and proved all to willing to use illegal violence and murder against entirely innocent Cypriots in the pursuit of these goals. Cypriots intimidated and murdered Cypriots of their own communities that advocated creating a united Cyprus. Cypriots killed and murdered innocent Cypriots for no other reasons that they were from the 'other' community. No group is more responsible by their choices, their actions and their lack of actions, for the division we have today in Cyprus than Cypriots. One of the many commonalities that many GC and TC share is the tendency to instinctively seek to blame everyone and anyone but themselves for everything and anything.

That is because we are different. We are the native population, who are Greek and Christian, and the Turks are a foreign to us culture / religion / language which was imposed on our island against our will. Should we blame ourselves for having the bad luck of being invaded by the Turks? I am not against finding as many commonalities as possible, but your position is wrong as a matter of principle. If tomorrow we are invaded by Arab Islamist fundamentalists and they manage to hold on to Cyprus for a couple of centuries creating an Arab minority in Cyprus, would that mean that when we manage to gain our freedom that we would have to find a commonality between Sharia law and Islamic religious fundamentalism, and our aspiration for a European democratic Cyprus? Of course no. We will respect your human rights, you can have some minority rights like in other democratic countries, if there are some commonalities GREAT, but beyond that we are not obligated to sacrifice our principles and aspirations to satisfy the demands of every minority.

Sotos you do write some racist dribble. You share the language of the Nazis, the BNP and the Front Nationale who also talk of Natives and the Christian crusade. They also trash the religions of others the Jews in the case of the Nazis. Turkish Cypriots have lived on the island for hundreds of years. And like most racists you have no answers as to how your greek utopia, your final solution will come about. All you have is a fantasy land created in your head. How are you going to get the Turkish Cypriots to accept this second class status and return to the enclaves, how are you going to rid Cyprus of the 150-200,000 settlers whose numbers grow daily and the Turksh army. How are you going to reverse partition and ethnic cleansing. Pray tell......

The Nazis and the Crusaders were invading foreign to them lands... like the Turks did to us. The racists are the Turks who discriminated against the native Cypriot people for centuries and insist on such a discrimination even in the 20th and 21st centuries! And where did I trash your religion? What I say is the FACT that we are DIFFERENT... different religion, different language, different ethnicity, different culture... and that is a result of the Turks invading our island and bringing their Settlers on our island who never assimilated with the native population. So the idea that the native majority is obligated to think of the future of Cyprus exclusively in terms of "commonalities" with whatever foreign culture was introduced to our island by recent Colonialists is bogus. The solution is democracy and human rights and you respecting the Majority Rights of the native population while we respect your Minority Rights. If you refuse to respect our Majority Rights and several of our Human Rights then clearly there can be NO solution since nothing that lacks those basic principles can be considered a "solution" for us. Therefore the only way to solve our problem would be to win a war against you if and when that becomes possible. If you have any other suggestions of how we can solve the problems you created to us then please tell me.

Sotos you use the same rhetoric as the Enosis brigade. Have you learnt nothing?

The Anglo Saxons invaded Britain, the French the Occidant ( the south of France ) nations are formed by history, the movement of peoples and in most cases by conquest. Your only suggestion is partition the rest is Xbox fantasy stuff.

[GreekIslandGirl]

You quoted partially the title of the document and selectively from the document

I don't need to post hundreds of pages of documents if the relevant, contextual, section is a succinct point that follows on from what someone said. Should I post the bit to do with Pakistan or some other unrelated matter?

As I said, they are Official documents, from Cyprus-administers (Embassy etc), some as briefed policy (i.e. policy reported to Ministers) and now available at a government archive.

If you don't like what they report, you can keep saying they are irrelevant, or that I was selective, as that is what pathetically, selectively suits you. But the English is clear, concise and meaningful - your blustering splutterings and those of your hic-obsessed stooges are clownish and demonstrate only your attempts to cling to some false narrative that allows you to live guilt-free and in a state of comfortable hypocrisy that tries to justify Turkey's illegal occupation.

To me they are relevant - facts and evidence - that capture that time in our history when Turk-TCs were the effective tools for Turkey to try and invade and grab Cyprus and then to eventually succeed.

The collective points from the official document is that there was a wave of recognition of the final aims of Turkey (now visible to all).

[Sotos]

Cyprus is today divided because Cypriots sought a post colonial Cyprus based not on their commonalities as Cypriots regardless of their ethnic background but ones based on their differences that were mutualy exclusive as such and proved all to willing to use illegal violence and murder against entirely innocent Cypriots in the pursuit of these goals. Cypriots intimidated and murdered Cypriots of their own communities that advocated creating a united Cyprus. Cypriots killed and murdered innocent Cypriots for no other reasons that they were from the 'other' community. No group is more responsible by their choices, their actions and their lack of actions, for the division we have today in Cyprus than Cypriots. One of the many commonalities that many GC and TC share is the tendency to instinctively seek to blame everyone and anyone but themselves for everything and anything.

That is because we are different. We are the native population, who are Greek and Christian, and the Turks are a foreign to us culture / religion / language which was imposed on our island against our will. Should we blame ourselves for having the bad luck of being invaded by the Turks? I am not against finding as many commonalities as possible, but your position is wrong as a matter of principle. If tomorrow we are invaded by Arab Islamist fundamentalists and they manage to hold on to Cyprus for a couple of centuries creating an Arab minority in Cyprus, would that mean that when we manage to gain our freedom that we would have to find a commonality between Sharia law and Islamic religious fundamentalism, and our aspiration for a European democratic Cyprus? Of course no. We will respect your human rights, you can have some minority rights like in other democratic countries, if there are some commonalities GREAT, but beyond that we are not obligated to sacrifice our principles and aspirations to satisfy the demands of every minority.

Sotos you do write some racist dribble. You share the language of the Nazis, the BNP and the Front Nationale who also talk of Natives and the Christian crusade. They also trash the religions of others the Jews in the case of the Nazis. Turkish Cypriots have lived on the island for hundreds of years. And like most racists you have no answers as to how your greek utopia, your final solution will come about. All you have is a fantasy land created in your head. How are you going to get the Turkish Cypriots to accept this second class status and return to the enclaves, how are you going to rid Cyprus of the 150-200,000 settlers whose numbers grow daily and the Turksh army. How are you going to reverse partition and ethnic cleansing. Pray tell......

The Nazis and the Crusaders were invading foreign to them lands... like the Turks did to us. The racists are the Turks who discriminated against the native Cypriot people for centuries and insist on such a discrimination even in the 20th and 21st centuries! And where did I trash your religion? What I say is the FACT that we are DIFFERENT... different religion, different language, different ethnicity, different culture... and that is a result of the Turks invading our island and bringing their Settlers on our island who never assimilated with the native population. So the idea that the native majority is obligated to think of the future of Cyprus exclusively in terms of "commonalities" with whatever foreign culture was introduced to our island by recent Colonialists is bogus. The solution is democracy and human rights and you respecting the Majority Rights of the native population while we respect your Minority Rights. If you refuse to respect our Majority Rights and several of our Human Rights then clearly there can be NO solution since nothing that lacks those basic principles can be considered a "solution" for us. Therefore the only way to solve our problem would be to win a war against you if and when that becomes possible. If you have any other suggestions of how we can solve the problems you created to us then please tell me.

Sotos you use the same rhetoric as the Enosis brigade. Have you learnt nothing?

The Anglo Saxons invaded Britain, the French the Occidant ( the south of France ) nations are formed by history, the movement of peoples and in most cases by conquest. Your only suggestion is partition the rest is Xbox fantasy stuff.

That is how you managed to create Turkey. But Cyprus was one of the last territories to be occupied by the Ottomans so the majority of the population is still Greek. Unfortunately you seem to want as yours not only the territories where you became the majority but even territories that you were never a majority and which you officially gave up. You are just like the Nazis who thought conquests and expansionism is OK in the 20th century! You have no right to impose anything on Cyprus... the only thing you can rightfully demand is your human and minority rights. Trying to forcefully gain anything beyond that is an act of aggression against the native Cypriot people.

[cypriotnado]

Let me know when your going to invade so I can tell the relatives to pack the china!

[Sotos]

Let me know when your going to invade so I can tell the relatives to pack the china!

When the time comes you will know it. It might be sooner than you think since Turkey has such internal problems that it wouldn't be a huge surprise if it implodes and brakes up into pieces in the next few decades.

[cypriotnado]

Let me know when your going to invade so I can tell the relatives to pack the china!

When the time comes you will know it. It might be sooner than you think since Turkey has such internal problems that it wouldn't be a huge surprise if it implodes and brakes up into pieces in the next few decades.

Thanks! Thats very native,smelly and Christian of you.

[Sotos]

Let me know when your going to invade so I can tell the relatives to pack the china!

When the time comes you will know it. It might be sooner than you think since Turkey has such internal problems that it wouldn't be a huge surprise if it implodes and brakes up into pieces in the next few decades.

Thanks! Thats very native and Christian of you.

It totally is.

[Paphitis]

Cyprus is today divided because Cypriots sought a post colonial Cyprus based not on their commonalities as Cypriots regardless of their ethnic background but ones based on their differences that were mutualy exclusive as such and proved all to willing to use illegal violence and murder against entirely innocent Cypriots in the pursuit of these goals. Cypriots intimidated and murdered Cypriots of their own communities that advocated creating a united Cyprus. Cypriots killed and murdered innocent Cypriots for no other reasons that they were from the 'other' community. No group is more responsible by their choices, their actions and their lack of actions, for the division we have today in Cyprus than Cypriots. One of the many commonalities that many GC and TC share is the tendency to instinctively seek to blame everyone and anyone but themselves for everything and anything.

That is because we are different. We are the native population, who are Greek and Christian, and the Turks are a foreign to us culture / religion / language which was imposed on our island against our will. Should we blame ourselves for having the bad luck of being invaded by the Turks? I am not against finding as many commonalities as possible, but your position is wrong as a matter of principle. If tomorrow we are invaded by Arab Islamist fundamentalists and they manage to hold on to Cyprus for a couple of centuries creating an Arab minority in Cyprus, would that mean that when we manage to gain our freedom that we would have to find a commonality between Sharia law and Islamic religious fundamentalism, and our aspiration for a European democratic Cyprus? Of course no. We will respect your human rights, you can have some minority rights like in other democratic countries, if there are some commonalities GREAT, but beyond that we are not obligated to sacrifice our principles and aspirations to satisfy the demands of every minority.

Sotos you do write some racist dribble. You share the language of the Nazis, the BNP and the Front Nationale who also talk of Natives and the Christian crusade. They also trash the religions of others the Jews in the case of the Nazis. Turkish Cypriots have lived on the island for hundreds of years. And like most racists you have no answers as to how your greek utopia, your final solution will come about. All you have is a fantasy land created in your head. How are you going to get the Turkish Cypriots to accept this second class status and return to the enclaves, how are you going to rid Cyprus of the 150-200,000 settlers whose numbers grow daily and the Turksh army. How are you going to reverse partition and ethnic cleansing. Pray tell......

The Nazis and the Crusaders were invading foreign to them lands... like the Turks did to us. The racists are the Turks who discriminated against the native Cypriot people for centuries and insist on such a discrimination even in the 20th and 21st centuries! And where did I trash your religion? What I say is the FACT that we are DIFFERENT... different religion, different language, different ethnicity, different culture... and that is a result of the Turks invading our island and bringing their Settlers on our island who never assimilated with the native population. So the idea that the native majority is obligated to think of the future of Cyprus exclusively in terms of "commonalities" with whatever foreign culture was introduced to our island by recent Colonialists is bogus. The solution is democracy and human rights and you respecting the Majority Rights of the native population while we respect your Minority Rights. If you refuse to respect our Majority Rights and several of our Human Rights then clearly there can be NO solution since nothing that lacks those basic principles can be considered a "solution" for us. Therefore the only way to solve our problem would be to win a war against you if and when that becomes possible. If you have any other suggestions of how we can solve the problems you created to us then please tell me.

Sotos you use the same rhetoric as the Enosis brigade. Have you learnt nothing?

The Anglo Saxons invaded Britain, the French the Occidant ( the south of France ) nations are formed by history, the movement of peoples and in most cases by conquest. Your only suggestion is partition the rest is Xbox fantasy stuff.

It's got nothing whatsoever to do with ENOSIS at all.

But how convenient that you should bring it up whenever a GC mentions Human Rights for all individuals, their freedom of movement and right to enjoy their property. That is the issue here, but you keep mentioning ENOSIS.