Sotos wrote:erolz66 wrote:B25 wrote:Seems Erolz has no real arguement other than trying to destroy the poster. So far he has made NO comment on the content, the fact that the British Government were talking about this, writing about this irrespective of who wrote it for whom etc etc etc, Erolz just attacks and trolls the poster.
The document , that was released under the the 30 year rule (so is not recently released) is of some interest. It is interesting principally for the reasons Mallinson suggests it is - namely that it shows that a mere 4 years after brokering and signing Treaties the British government was prepared to consider the 'writing off' of those treaties if they thought doing so best served their interests. This is what is of relevance to this document. All the distortions that GiG tries to make to what the document means and why it is of interest are in fact of no interest (to me or to mallinson it would seem) because they are simply that - distortions.
Erolz, (leaving aside your arguments with GiG) there is no doubt that the the British would only do what serves their own interests. They don't care about GC, TCs, Greeks or Turks... they only care about themselves and if it serves their interests to change their policy on something they will do it. I hope you accept this fact. The other fact is that without foreign involvement (by the last 2 foreign rulers of Cyprus) the outcome in Cyprus would be whatever the majority of the Cypriot people wanted it to be. The minority would either simply respect the choice of the majority or they would fight against it and lose. Therefore there is a 100% correlation between the problem we are having and the foreign involvement of UK and Turkey in Cyprus. And I should note that their involvement was not sanctioned by the UN, so it can not be argued that they were acting on behalf of the UN based on universally accepted principles. It was simply a case of them using their power to serve their own interests on the expense of ours (just like they have been doing while ruling Cyprus against our will). Without foreign involvement there would be no Cyprus Problem. Beyond that, if the minority would have some issues with the majority that would be a completely different kind of problem... a not a very unique problem, since many countries had such issues... especially back in the 50s and 60s.
Although under such circumstances when it comes to "national interests" the political attitude of the governments are all same; they have at least a responsibility to one way or other contribute the solution of the problem in a balanced way by taking into consideration the interests of all concerned parties, including the Cypriots(I don't mean GCs)... Although i don't believe the problems in multi-ethnic societies stemms from foreign involvement but if even there's such an influence of foreign involvement; in countries like Cyprus that has a strategic and geo-politic importance; foreign involvemnet is inevitable and it's our elite inviting them to get involved... so, expecting the otherwise to happen; i.e, no foreign involvement, is impossible... the self-interests of local elites are in the hands of the elites of closely involved countries that have regional and global interests over Cyprus... these interest are mutual... anyone like it or not that's another discussion issue...
:- but you are no match in a political debate with GIG. 
