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[GreekIslandGirl]

Here's something else interesting the above document stated, under 'British Aims for Cyprus':

...... although enosis is in some way more attractive than the unitary state, Turkey's objections to it are so strong that it may not be a practicable solution at present.

[GreekIslandGirl]

6. From the defence point of view enosis, notwithstanding its obvious difficulties, has certain advantages over the unitary state. It seems more likely to achieve real stability in the island since the civil authority might be stronger and better able to check vendettas:

Same sources (ibid) - yes, just quotes not the full bloody documents (get them yourself!)

[GreekIslandGirl]

7. Even from the Turkish point of view, the practical (as opposed to the emotional) considerations favour enosis rather than the unitary state.

ibid

[Lordo]

you is still dreaming of enosis. not in a million years love. you had your chance in the early 70s and you flunked your tests.

[cypriotnado]

Honestly she is like a never ending tune ...... The siren of the harpies

[GreekIslandGirl]

8. For these reasons we hope that the possibility of achieving enosis will not be too readily set aside.

Again, the above from the same Official Committee Document of 1964, subsection, "British Aims for Cyprus".

Concept question:

Sections 5, 6, 7 and 8 put together - Who thought enosis would bring peace and stability to Cyprus in 1964?

Clue .... it begins with "B" and ends with "h".

Go on, Lordo, take a wild guess.

[cypriotnado]

8. For these reasons we hope that the possibility of achieving enosis will not be too readily set aside.

Again, the above from the same Official Committee Document of 1964, subsection, "British Aims for Cyprus".

Concept question:

Sections 5, 6, 7 and 8 put together - Who thought enosis would bring peace and stability to Cyprus in 1964?

Clue .... it begins with "B" and ends with "h".

Go on, Lordo, take a wild guess.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........no more

[insan]

It is NOT implied that people who are not native should leave. That is like saying that almost all Americans should leave from the USA because they are not Native Americans or that all Whites should leave from South Africa. I will ask you the same question as I asked Erolz: Are the children, grandchildren etc of the Settlers "Cypriots"? In your case I will go a step further: Are they NATIVE Cypriots? I think the answer is clearly that they are NOT native Cypriots, so there is a cut-off point somewhere, otherwise everybody born in Cyprus would be "native Cypriot". The Turks came to Cyprus at about the same time that the English, Spanish, French etc were colonizing America, Africa, Australia, Asia etc... and those Europeans are clearly not considered native in those parts of the world. The native people could certainly have some additional rights in the cases that those people are now minorities... but in our case that we are the majority we don't need any additional rights other than the standard Human and Majority Rights.

The whole issue of 'native' or not is simply irrelevant. GC did not want a post colonial future for Cyprus that was was different from and an anathema to TC because they were 'native'. They wanted such because they chose to place being Greek ahead of being Cypriot based on an ideology that said to be Cypriot means to be Greek. TC did not want a post colonial future for Cyprus that was different from and anathema to GC because they were 'not native'. They wanted such because they chose to place being 'not Greek' (Turkish or TC) ahead of being Cypriot.

I believe that our ethnicities, nativeness, how long it's been we dwell on this island, our political views etc.has essentially nothing to do with living together on this island as whatever we are under the rule of a best possible state model; united... all we need is respecting each other's rights and concerns under any circumstances... if there's no respect for rights and concerns; you can't even keep a family together under one umbrella...

The problem is that you want for yourselves "rights" which are not justified for an 18% minority (and which you don't give to minorities in Turkey).

There is a difference between being a minority and being outnumbered... that's why GC and TC communities are called two main communities of Cyprus and others as minorities... the circumstances of post-74 was the high time for TC elite to prove that a state model based on consociational democracy which was the original 60s constitiution; actually could work... until 1976 even 1978, still there were some 40.000 non muslim Cypriots living in north.... in 1975, TC elite instead of declareing Turkish Federated State of Cyprus, they could declare a state called Peoples Republic of Cyprus and implement the 60s constitution in this new republic and prove it to the whole world that it could work... what all you need to make it work is having leaderships from both communities who have high cogency to make people believe in it and of course righteous politicians and government workers to carry our the required public policies...

As for Turkey not doing the same in Turkey, theirs is a different historical process and Kurds never demanded a consociational democracy based model of state in Turkey... Kurdish problem in turkey has nothing directly to do with our problem in Cyprus; so you better concentrate on our issue...

[insan]

8. For these reasons we hope that the possibility of achieving enosis will not be too readily set aside.

Again, the above from the same Official Committee Document of 1964, subsection, "British Aims for Cyprus".

Concept question:

Sections 5, 6, 7 and 8 put together - Who thought enosis would bring peace and stability to Cyprus in 1964?

Clue .... it begins with "B" and ends with "h".

Go on, Lordo, take a wild guess.

Most probably they were engineering the events of 1974 by showing you the Enosis carrot...

[GreekIslandGirl]

8. For these reasons we hope that the possibility of achieving enosis will not be too readily set aside.

Again, the above from the same Official Committee Document of 1964, subsection, "British Aims for Cyprus".

Concept question:

Sections 5, 6, 7 and 8 put together - Who thought enosis would bring peace and stability to Cyprus in 1964?

Clue .... it begins with "B" and ends with "h".

Go on, Lordo, take a wild guess.

Most probably they were engineering the events of 1974 by showing you the Enosis carrot...

No, they knew that would be a problem with Turkey. The document goes on to say:

9.... A leak of pro-Greek sentiment would have dangerous consequences in Ankara. Therefore "it would be premature to give any firm indication of what sort of solution we favour".

ibid

The British knew what a nasty piece of work was Turkey ....