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[Oceanside50]

Heres a documentary of how a segregated American south and an apartheid South Africa looked like, notice the first 10 minutes the words that are being used that Cypriots are using today, words such as restrictions of movement,barriers,Jim Crow laws, segregated areas, violation of rights, racial profiling (religion,race)...you need only watch the first 10 minutes..This is what the pro solutionist aspire Cyprus to become...and especially the Turkish Cypriots with their fanaticism to punish the Greek Cypriots.

[Lordo]

Heres a documentary of how a segregated American south and an apartheid South Africa looked like, notice the first 10 minutes the words that are being used that Cypriots are using today, words such as restrictions of movement,barriers,Jim Crow laws, segregated areas, violation of rights, racial profiling (religion,race)...you need only watch the first 10 minutes..This is what the pro solutionist aspire Cyprus to become...and especially the Turkish Cypriots with their fanaticism to punish the Greek Cypriots.

get a life you stupid idiot.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, if Cypriots cannot call themselves Cypriots, whatever the solution, it will not stand. If a "Greek" cannot live somewhere in Cyprus because they are not "Turkish", it is wrong.

Lordo, can you stop the world from its social-exchange with Cyprus, do you want to? If a Turkish Constituency existed, one would expect that the people who live within it will respect and recognise its unique distinction. One would expect that they live their because it is a pleasure, and it is a place where they feel they can grow healthy, peacefully.

You don't get it, insulting me, and insulting anyone else who is smeared by your broad brush strokes, "Greek" bad, "Turk" good. I'm sorry, i don't recall too many times where you choose to make it clear, like erolz must continually do, like i do, that Cyprus is bigger, Cyprus is better, than "union" (or in your fantasy world, division) between a bunch of extremists who to this day occupy the Agenda of Cyprus as a State with their hateful leanings. I appreciate that you act as a foil, so that for those opposing there is a center to the debate, but it is over, whether the "Greeks" or the "Turks" like it or not, Cyprus may need to sustain its Ethnos, but the demands of "Turks" have been revealed for what they are, an ignorance based on a selfish desire.

...sing me a song of the tragedy, babies in bathtubs, mass graves; it betrays them all (Lordo): not "Greeks", not "Turks", Cypriots.

[Nikitas]

BBF is partition with a polite face. It is not a simple federation as in other countries, by defining it as bizonal and bicommunal they introduce a race component.

Notice how no one refers to the ways these BB elements will be applied, monitored, enforced.

The GC community has been brainwashed to recoil at the mention of the word partition.

They babble on about "reunification" without ever explaining how it be reconciled with BBF. What exactly is unifying when there are permanent derogations from the EU aquis guaranteeing separate racial majorities in population and property ownership. How is that preferable to outright partition is never discussed, instead we get a stereotypical response "the north will be permanently turkified", as if there will be another outcome via BBF and the presence of settlers.

If we had the sense to demand outright partition we would see them crumble because neither the Turks nor the TCs want it, each for their reasons. The Turks because after partition they will have to deal with a truly independent GC controlled south, the TCs because they would be swallowed whole by Turkey. The TCs need the BBF thing to justify being a political entity, complete with presidents, officials, salaries, expense accounts and all that sweet stuff of power and success.

Just think that all powers we have at times accused of being responsible for 1974, ALL want reunification, maybe because reunification renders the GCs prisoners for ever?

[B25]

The sad thing is our 'politicians' are too stupid to realise this and we are heading for a disaster. I can see the 1963 troubles returning given what they are discussing. short of removing the turks completely, I would prefer partition over their bollocks BBF.

[Oceanside50]

The RoC politicians made mistakes along the way... Going from cantonal federation to a regional federation is the same difference as night and day...whoever agreed to that was misinformed about federation

[repulsewarrior]

Cyprus, with the expense of having Constituencies, may provide an important link to the needs that as Persons, Individuals need, toward defining their own distinct identity within the context of a State that is broader.

What is at issue is the intention of the parties as they are framed today. What are they looking for? One can not expect an "Enosis" to Greece any longer, and a "Greek" state in Cyprus is no longer a possibility either, only unless there exists a willingness to sacrifice the island and its Heritance, for a society/two societies which chooses to promote an enmity for "others", it seems will the "Turks" (and the "Greeks") that represent about a half of the island's population be satisfied; but it is not the only choice.

...indeed, Koray Basogrultmacı and Cinel Senem Husseyin, have demonstrated that the Flag of Cyprus does not represent a "Greekness", or a "Turkishness", and that in belonging it is Cypriot; it is neither "Greek", or "Turkish". They bent what seems an impossibly intransigent regime with one truth, that Cyprus exists. All of us can demonstrate the same courage, for Cyprus, and the possibility that Cyprus can take control of the Agenda for what is essentially an internal problem Cypriot in nature. This simple gesture, flying this Flag, my lead to someone being shot quite frankly, but more of it is necessary to build the trust that Turcophones need, and, the respect that the overwhelming Grecophone population needs as well, to be willing to defend each other.

...if there is a loud enough voice from the population, the politicians as an elite will have to rethink what is established, and what is the status quo.

It is our choice, the Citizens by voting, but more importantly it is by action that the choices available will change.