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[kurupetos]

Russia will destroy the US-UK-IS-Turkey coalition. It's only a matter of time...

[Robin Hood]

Russia will destroy the US-UK-IS-Turkey coalition. It's only a matter of time...

No they won't! Putin is far too smart to even discuss a pre-emptive attack on any other Nation............ but the US ..... that is not so cut and dried??????

The US has a first strike option written into the 'constitution' (Pre-emptive warfare). Putin does not make threats or posture ............. he just does what needs to be done and starting WWIII is not on his agenda.

[Paphitis]

Just how dumb can you get!

The US has just dropped 50 tons of arms and ammunition to Islamic Extremists, although these should not be confused with the bad Islamic extremists these guys only do good and help others. These are the good ones, not like those other bad ones like Al-Qaida and Al Nusra ......... oh, I forgot they ARE the good guys now ....... 9/11? well all is forgiven and the REAL bad guys have been re-tagged as ISIS. YEAH .... believe that and you will believe anything!

You can call terrorists whatever you like but the link is the Islamic bit ..... it is that doctrine that drives ALL Islamic extremists. Let's hope Russia knows where this was dropped/stored and blows the delivery and the recipients to smithereens before they can use it.

Russia is not attacking Islamic extremists at all. There is no evidence that Russia has attacked DAESH and as a result they have undermined coalition efforts against them.

Now what do you expect? The US and its coalition are going to find allies to support and arm. There are no good guys in war but the FSA and maybe a few other groups are not so bad because they were born from the Arab Spring. The US has CIA on the ground security vetting some to receive arms. They will not be supplied with G2A out of fears that Commercial Aviation. Due diligence there as opposed to Pootin and MH17.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis:

When did I say I hated the Americans? The Americans I have worked with were usually very pleasant people, a bit dumb when it comes to Geography and world politics, but most just wanted to be liked. The problem I have is with their politicians, their dominance of the World banking and financial systems ............. and their endless military actions (direct or proxy) against other nations.

Putin put it very well in an interview on BBC. "We fight terrorists! If Assad falls we will have an Islamic State on OUR doorstep, as such, we have a duty to support the elected Government of Syria to prevent this from happening."

Those are not good enough reasons to have this irrational dislike of America and support every criminal like Assad. The US do not control the global Banking System which is universal. They have a big say much like the EU and perhaps China but America do not control it or own it.

Pootin is not fighting ISIS. There have been no Airstrikes in ISIS other than coalition Airstrikes. Pootin's actions have undermined all coalition efforts against ISIS and now are advancing. They have made everything far more difficult.

As a result, we will arm the FSA so that they can hold their positions against the Syrian Ground Offensive and cause the Syrians and Russians maximum casualties and losses. After bogging them down for a couple of years, I am sure Pootin will negotiate and in order to protect its interests they will be more willing to talk about regime transition and the handover of Assad to face war crime charges in the ICJ.

[Paphitis]

Russia will destroy the US-UK-IS-Turkey coalition. It's only a matter of time...

No they won't! Putin is far too smart to even discuss a pre-emptive attack on any other Nation............ but the US ..... that is not so cut and dried??????

The US has a first strike option written into the 'constitution' (Pre-emptive warfare). Putin does not make threats or posture ............. he just does what needs to be done and starting WWIII is not on his agenda.

Do not lie. The US Government has a "no first use policy" for Nuclear Strike there is no policy to pre-empt a Nuclear Strike but naturally, if they knew that Russia was going to launch Nuclear ICBMs they would pre-empt it. It's only logical and it's all about survival at this point. They just won't pre-empt with Nuclear Weapons until their's are launched.

But if Russia launches even one, then dozens of American ICBMs will fly to. You see! The Americans are nice guys because the first things to go will be all the Russian Silos, Naval Bases and Command and Control. After that, it might be Moscow!

The United States has adopted a no-first-use policy, saying that it "reserves no right to use" nuclear weapons first in the case of conflict. The U.S. doctrine for the use of nuclear weapons was revised most recently in the Nuclear Posture Review, released April 6, 2010.[25] The 2010 Nuclear Posture review reduces the role of U.S. nuclear weapons, stating that

"The fundamental role of U.S. nuclear weapons, which will continue as long as nuclear weapons exist, is to deter nuclear attack on the United States, our allies, and partners."

The U.S. doctrine also includes the following assurance to other states:

"The United States will not use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapons states that are party to the NPT and in compliance with their nuclear non-proliferation obligations."[25]

For states eligible for this assurance, the United States would not use nuclear weapons in response to a chemical or biological attack, but states that those responsible for such an attack would be held accountable and would face the prospect of a devastating conventional military response. Even for states not eligible for this assurance, the United States would consider the use of nuclear weapons only in extreme circumstances to defend the vital interests of the United States or its allies and partners. The Nuclear Posture Review also notes:

"It is in the U.S. interest and that of all other nations that the nearly 65-year record of nuclear non-use be extended forever."[25]

This supersedes the doctrine of the Bush Administration set forth in "Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations" and written under the direction of Air Force General Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The new doctrine envisions commanders requesting presidential approval to use nuclear weapons to preempt an attack by a nation or a terrorist group using weapons of mass destruction.[26] The draft also includes the option of using nuclear weapons to destroy known enemy stockpiles of nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons.

[Paphitis]

Russia will destroy the US-UK-IS-Turkey coalition. It's only a matter of time...

I'm afraid Russia will have to make the first move.

The US will use its Nuclear Arsenal to defend its allies as well as itself.

So don't expect anything from the US. If the Russians want to destroy the US then they will need to attack first.

[DrCyprus]

The US will use its Nuclear Arsenal to defend its allies as well as itself.

Who would use a nuclear weapon on a country that also has nuclear weapons?

They are a last resort you use when you have nothing to lose, and when they are used on Russia, Russia will use their own.

[Paphitis]

The US will use its Nuclear Arsenal to defend its allies as well as itself.

Who would use a nuclear weapon on a country that also has nuclear weapons?

No not the US. That is my point, there is a NFU policy.

But as Kurupetos said, he believes that Pootin will destroy the US and its allies. I think such a thing will satisfy the US policy of NFU and if it or its allies are being attacked into oblivion (only way is Nuclear attack) then it's bye bye Russia! 24 hours and Russia will disappear!

I'm not advocating it. Speak to that idiot Kurupetos. I have not claimed that the US will use Nuclear Weapons against Russia other than to defend itself and its allies in the event of a Russian Nuclear attack. Pootin is a lot more likely to make the first move than America is because of the NFU.

[DrCyprus]

Yeah, I get you.

Russia is in Syria to secure their interests like everyone else. If Obama and Putin come into an agreement Syria will be solved in a matter of weeks. The humanitarian crisis they caused will of course scar the region for centuries to come.

[Paphitis]

Yeah, I get you.

Russia is in Syria to secure their interests like everyone else. If Obama and Putin come into an agreement Syria will be solved in a matter of weeks. The humanitarian crisis they caused will of course scar the region for centuries to come.

Well yes it would. It is possible to solve this and Russia can still protect its interests. Everything is a give and take.

Russia has always had a base in Syria so that is not really an issue the West is worried about.

However, the West will want Assad to step down as a minimum and transition to democracy or somekind of soft Dictatorial administration which includes the Sunnis and Kurds as well as Christians.

Assad can either be tried in Syria by Syrians or he can be handed over to the ICJ. Probably be better for him to go to the ICJ.