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[Paphitis]

Paphitis:

It's not wishful thinking. Shooting down an aircraft that has locked your own aircraft in your own Airspace is a completely defensive thing to do.

UPDATE! Limassol -Approx 0900 hrs.

A jet travelling at high altitude and at high speed on a South to North flight path suddenly went into a 180 Deg LH high rate turn. Turning circle maybe 2-3km. Definitely not a passenger aircraft otherwise they would be wiping the vomit off the walls, ceiling and floor. So the assumption has to be a military aircraft and by its direction of travel, a 'coalition' aircraft?

Given you advisory ...... it looks as if the coalition could be probing the Russian/Syrian defence radar ....... maybe the intruder suddenly found that HE had been locked on? In this case, does your above advisory apply?

Well this coalition aircraft happens to be in RoC Airspace. The RoC being a friendly nation, it wouldn't matter and they would be communicating with ATC in any event. It could also be an Israeli Aircraft. They have been coming across to Cyprus regularly and have been known to fly over the occupied areas from time to time.

If it were in Syrian Airspace, the Russians can do what they like but we won't like any locks on our aircraft.

In all likelihood, the Russians and Americans should be discussing all the technicalities if indeed a Russian Jet was shot down. As I said before, you would want to hope so.

[boomerang]

so you are saying we will never know the truth because
1...never happened
2...if it happened they are taking Russian's sensitivity in mind

you know how ridiculous this sounds?...

Yes you will know the truth soon enough, but not right now.

It either happened or it didn't.

If it did happen, there will be some kind of official statement and some other statement which will diffuse things (you better hope so anyway). The way I see it, Russia and USA have never been closer to all out war.

If there is no official word ever, then it didn't happen (most likely).

Yes you will know the truth soon enough, but not right now.

wow man, you sounding like you already know coz a little birdie told you and we don't believe you...if a little birdie didn't tell yeah you would be sounding like "we" will know the truth soon enough....

Russia and USA have never been closer to all out war.

oh they were a lot closer than today, don't kid yourself....Cuban crisis rings any bells?

If there is no official word ever, then it didn't happen (most likely).

hang on a mo just before you made a case of the US and NATO are not saying anything due to the putin unpredictability factor and now if they US and NATO say nothing it's ok?...man this downing of a plane was a hoax from the start...

there is no way in hell anyone would dare down a Russian plane...especially the turks...

[Paphitis]

so you are saying we will never know the truth because
1...never happened
2...if it happened they are taking Russian's sensitivity in mind

you know how ridiculous this sounds?...

Yes you will know the truth soon enough, but not right now.

It either happened or it didn't.

If it did happen, there will be some kind of official statement and some other statement which will diffuse things (you better hope so anyway). The way I see it, Russia and USA have never been closer to all out war.

If there is no official word ever, then it didn't happen (most likely).

Yes you will know the truth soon enough, but not right now.

wow man, you sounding like you already know coz a little birdie told you and we don't believe you...if a little birdie didn't tell yeah you would be sounding like "we" will know the truth soon enough....

Russia and USA have never been closer to all out war.

oh they were a lot closer than today, don't kid yourself....Cuban crisis rings any bells?

If there is no official word ever, then it didn't happen (most likely).

hang on a mo just before you made a case of the US and NATO are not saying anything due to the putin unpredictability factor and now if they US and NATO say nothing it's ok?...man this downing of a plane was a hoax from the start...

there is no way in hell anyone would dare down a Russian plane...especially the turks...

I know as much as you do, and I am not prepared to discount this alleged event just yet until I hear from an official source exactly what had occured. I am just saying that it is not completely unreasonable to be for this to be swept under the carpet at least for now because such an event will result in many things and discussions going on in the background.

Eventually, everyone will know. If they say nothing, then it probably didn't happen. If they come out and say it didn't happen, then it probably didn't happen. I would expect something to come out one way or another.

I mentioned the Cuban Crisis earlier (Bay of Pigs) and they way I see it, this situation is becoming just like it and dangerous.

I think shooting down a Russian Jet is right up Turkey's alley. They are the most likely to respond in that fashion as compared to most other countries.

[Oceanside50]

I think shooting down a Russian Jet is right up Turkey's alley. They are the most likely to respond in that fashion as compared to most other countries.

i think the turks next move should be to close the Bosporus, that will show the Russians who the boss is...

[Paphitis]

I think shooting down a Russian Jet is right up Turkey's alley. They are the most likely to respond in that fashion as compared to most other countries.

i think the turks next move should be to close the Bosporus, that will show the Russians who the boss is...

Well yes they can do that, and that would be a dramatic escalation by Turkey, but I don't think a Russian retaliation is likely if Turkey did shoot down a Russian Aircraft and I don't think it is likely Turkey will close the straights.

If an aircraft was shot down, I believe that this will be the catalyst for urgent talks to commence and some kind of political solution. I would expect talks to be going on right now as we speak. If they didn't shoot down a plane, then the war goes on until something like this happens and it will. Only a matter of time.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

We don't care whether we have his permission or not.

Exactly ..... the US/NATO have no time for International Law ........ unless of course it is to their benefit!

Assad is very lucky we didn't go after him when he was Gassing thousands of Syrians. Very lucky indeed because we were headed that way at one stage.

Get your facts correct! Assad didn’t gas thousands of Syrians! Some 150 or so were gassed with Sarin in 2013 but, although the US and its puppets immediately blamed Assad, as usual with no proof to offer, it was later suggested by UN inspectors that it was far more likely the FSA that used it, it was supplied by the Saudis and more was routed through Turkey but they got caught.

Oh, and my feelings about Putin are quite common in the West. They are not irrational.

Any belief as unshakeable as yours .... has to be irrational! Try reading the comments after these articles that attack Putin! 90% admire and support him as being the World’s most competent and effective leader ........ and the other 10% accuse the 90% of being paid Russian trolls!

[kurupetos]

I think shooting down a Russian Jet is right up Turkey's alley. They are the most likely to respond in that fashion as compared to most other countries.

i think the turks next move should be to close the Bosporus, that will show the Russians who the boss is...

I hope so, Oceans. Then the prophecy will be completed...

[DrCyprus]

I hope so, Oceans. Then the prophecy will be completed...

This prophecy?

'οὐ δύναται Παλλὰς Δί᾽ Ὀλύμπιον ἐξιλάσασθαι,
λισσομένη πολλοῖσι λόγοις καὶ μήτιδι πυκνῇ.
σοὶ δὲ τόδ᾽ αὖτις ἔπος ἐρέω, ἀδάμαντι πελάσσας·
τῶν ἄλλων γὰρ ἁλισκομένων ὅσα Κέκροπος οὖρος
ἐντὸς ἔχει κευθμών τε Κιθαιρῶνος ζαθέοιο,
τεῖχος Τριτογενεῖ ξύλινον διδοῖ εὐρύοπα Ζεὺς
μοῦνον ἀπόρθητον τελέθειν, τὸ σὲ τέκνα τ᾽ ὀνήσει.
[7.141.4] μηδὲ σύ γ᾽ ἱπποσύνην τε μένειν καὶ πεζὸν ἰόντα πολλὸν
ἀπ᾽ ἠπείρου στρατὸν ἥσυχος, ἀλλ᾽ ὑποχωρεῖν
νῶτον ἐπιστρέψας· ἔτι τοί ποτε κἀντίος ἔσσῃ.
ὦ θείη Σαλαμίς, ἀπολεῖς δὲ σὺ τέκνα γυναικῶν
ἤ που σκιδναμένης Δημήτερος ἢ συνιούσης.Herodotus: 7.138-144

[Lordo]

I think shooting down a Russian Jet is right up Turkey's alley. They are the most likely to respond in that fashion as compared to most other countries.

i think the turks next move should be to close the Bosporus, that will show the Russians who the boss is...

I hope so, Oceans. Then the prophecy will be completed...

terggy does 30 billion worth of trade with the russians. no chance. this is business sony not personal. and you is taking it personal.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis:

We don't care whether we have his permission or not.

Exactly ..... the US/NATO have no time for International Law ........ unless of course it is to their benefit!

Assad is very lucky we didn't go after him when he was Gassing thousands of Syrians. Very lucky indeed because we were headed that way at one stage.

Get your facts correct! Assad didn’t gas thousands of Syrians! Some 150 or so were gassed with Sarin in 2013 but, although the US and its puppets immediately blamed Assad, as usual with no proof to offer, it was later suggested by UN inspectors that it was far more likely the FSA that used it, it was supplied by the Saudis and more was routed through Turkey but they got caught.

Oh, and my feelings about Putin are quite common in the West. They are not irrational.

Any belief as unshakeable as yours .... has to be irrational! Try reading the comments after these articles that attack Putin! 90% admire and support him as being the World’s most competent and effective leader ........ and the other 10% accuse the 90% of being paid Russian trolls!

There are separate reports from Germany, France, Israel and UK which claim to have evidence concerning the types of rockets that were fired into Ghouta which was under FSA control. Some 150 FSA rebels were killed in the attack as well and this is documented in the various reports. Casualty estimates are between 600 and 1,500, mostly civilians, women and children.

In the report, the actual rockets used were identified and the FSA were not known to possess these rockets.

The only report I will take with a grain of salt is that from Israel and possibly the UK. However, France was the biggest mover and shaker and has even applied to the ICJ naming Assad as a war criminal.

There were actually 4 separate chemical attacks all on FSA held positions adding to the death toll.

After Obama was threatening Assad with Airstrikes, Putin convinced Assad to let inspectors in to investigate and to also disclose its chemical Arsenal to the UN and destroy it. This averted a US attack against Assad!