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by **Paphitis** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:57 pm

Oh I'm not crazy. Others have just escalated this war to the point of no return and that is Russia.

Do you think the Sunnis are going to give up? They are just going to keep recruiting. All the coalition was doing was keeping them in check so they don't end up with all of Syria before some reasonable political outcome is agreed to.

These are the choices you have:

1) mass genocide of all the Sunnis in Syria or
2) the end of Assad's rule and power sharing.

We are not going to sit by and watch you genocide and ethnically cleanse the Sunnis either. They have a right to exist in their homeland.

And you have left the USA no choice but to look at the option of sending its own troops into Syria to shield the FSA and Jaish al-Fatah

by **Tim Drayton** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:57 pm

A bit of useful reading as to how Assad released large numbers of dangerous Islamists from prison in 2011, so as to engineer a transformation of the democratic, secular revolutionary movement into an Islamist terrorist one, a move that indirectly gave birth to Daesh:

Assad regime set free extremists from prison to fire up trouble during peaceful uprising
http://www.thenational.ae/world/syria/a ... sing#page1

by **Paphitis** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:03 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:A bit of useful reading as to how Assad released large numbers of dangerous Islamists from prison in 2011, so as to engineer a transformation of the democratic, secular revolutionary movement into an Islamist terrorist one, a move that indirectly gave birth to Daesh:

Assad regime set free extremists from prison to fire up trouble during peaceful uprising
http://www.thenational.ae/world/syria/a ... sing#page1

Slowly but surely Tim the truth will come out.

As complicated as all this is, sometimes the jigsaw puzzle comes together. DAESH have been an unwilling ally to Assad. DAESH are so hard line against all other Sunni groups in their quest for the Caliphate, they will attack anyone including all other groups linked to Al Qaeda, FSA and Jaish al-Fatah.

They serve their purpose and we knew this all along which is why we wanted to destroy them so as to give the FSA and Jaish al-Fatah a fighting chance against Assad.

DAESH are not who we support. It is who Assad and Russia are supporting. Our boys are FSA and Jaish al-Fatah. The Kurds are our boys and girls too!

You might think I am a little crazy but this war is beyond crazy and it just got even crazier now.

by **Paphitis** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:09 pm

And I will like to draw an interesting parallel between DAESH and some Cyprus Forumers.

DAESH want to establish a Caliphate which the Coalition opposes.

Yialousa and Kurupetos want Russia to establish Byzantium.

And they call themselves Hellenes! Nice one but you got to laugh.

The more I think about it the more I am inclined to believe that DAESH are not as bad as the media portray them when we have 2 Cyprus Forumers with a Western Education, and who live in Western Countries are calling on Russia to establish Byzantium. The mind boggles Tim!

Oh yes indeed, it doesn't matter that 250,000 Syrians have been killed and 4 million are displaced running away from assad as long as Russia establishes Byzantium!

It's interesting the way their mind works! Really interesting.

by **Tim Drayton** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:19 pm

Paphitis,

Thank you for your intelligent and informed comments.

I agree that the situation has become a whole lot more dangerous, especially for Syria and the long-suffering Syrian people who are now likely to see even more of their country reduced to rubble and more of their people turned into refugees, but also for the world as a whole.

I would not put my money on any Western ground forces going in. One common denominator shared by Russia and the US, and other Western countries likely to participate in any kind of ground operation, is that public opinion has no taste whatsoever for sending in troops, in Russia because of the memory of Afghanistan, and in the West because of memories of both Afghanistan and Iraq. I think the present US strategy is right and even if a large-scale intervention could achieve whatever it is that the American ruling elite wants, in the long term it will just create the next problem. Of course, the Russians, in intervening in support of the Assad regime, are essentially working alongside the regime's forces, which includes boots on the ground. There was talk on this morning's BBC Today radio news programme about Iranian ground troops coming in to support Assad. I don't know if this is just a rumour or speculation, but this would be a further game changer.

Sadly, I think Assad's strategy is working. Public opinion now looks at groups like Daesh and think that Assad is the better of the two evils, and presented with this dichotomy, this is of course the correct choice. Of course it is a false dichotomy, because there are other options. There is little memory of the dignified, peaceful, secular protest movement that broke out at the beginning of 2011 and most people in the world now associate opposition to Assad with radical Islamism, just as Assad has always wanted them to. I think it is quite possible, against this backdrop, that with Russian and perhaps Iranian support the Assad regime will be able to retake control over Syria. I don't think this will lead to a permanent solution, either, though.

by **Lordo** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:22 pm

I tell you what these western politicians are so clever it is beyond belief. the western bombing will not fuel extremism but the russian ones will. can you believe the sons of bitches.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34419003

by **Paphitis** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:28 pm

Lordo wrote:I tell you what these western politicians are so clever it is beyond belief. the western bombing will not fuel extremism but the russian ones will. can you believe the sons of bitches.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34419003

The extremism was fueled way back in 2011.

by **Lordo** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:33 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Lordo wrote:I tell you what these western politicians are so clever it is beyond belief. the western bombing will not fuel extremism but the russian ones will. can you believe the sons of bitches.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34419003

The extremism was fueled way back in 2011.

really. it had nothing to do with what america did before then, going back to 1953. you stupidity arshole.

by **Get Real!** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:34 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Paphitis,

Thank you for your intelligent and informed comments.

You two are like Laurel & Hardy...

by **Tim Drayton** » Fri Oct 02, 2015 2:34 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:A bit of useful reading as to how Assad released large numbers of dangerous Islamists from prison in 2011, so as to engineer a transformation of the democratic, secular revolutionary movement into an Islamist terrorist one, a move that indirectly gave birth to Daesh:

Assad regime set free extremists from prison to fire up trouble during peaceful uprising
http://www.thenational.ae/world/syria/a ... sing#page1

Slowly but surely Tim the truth will come out.

As complicated as all this is, sometimes the jigsaw puzzle comes together. DAESH have been an unwilling ally to Assad. DAESH are so hard line against all other Sunni groups in their quest for the Caliphate, they will attack anyone including all other groups linked to Al Qaeda, FSA and Jaish al-Fatah.

They serve their purpose and we knew this all along which is why we wanted to destroy them so as to give the FSA and Jaish al-Fatah a fighting chance against Assad.

DAESH are not who we support. It is who Assad and Russia are supporting. Our boys are FSA and Jaish al-Fatah. The Kurds are our boys and girls too!

You might think I am a little crazy but this war is beyond crazy and it just got even crazier now.

I am coming to the conclusion that Daesh is not what it appears to be. This movement is happy to portray itself to the disaffected lumpen proletariat of the Islamic ghettos of the world as a movement engaged in radical jihad and is happy to recruit an endless stream of zealots eager to take up arms and engage in jihad and put down their lives for the noble cause, with the added promise of booty and religiously sanctioned (supposedly) sex with captive women for those inspired by less ideological motives. It is happy to send these young men out as cannon fodder, and the reason that the number of Daesh fighters remains constant despite the large number of fatalities is that new recruits keep arriving to replace those who die, to serve whatever its purpose is. This endless supply of useful idiots ready to go out and die wherever Daesh sends must seem like manna from heaven for whoever is really behind the movement. I am not sure what it is all about, but I become ever more convinced that the Ba'ath party is the real puppet master. There is evidence that the Ba'athist Assad was instrumental in creating Daesh in the first place, and his forces rarely clash with them. A number of interviews have been conducted with leading Daesh people who have become disillusioned and defected, and they all speak of the upper echelons of the movement being filled with former Ba'athists from the Iraqi regime. On the other hand, though, numbering among the several resistance movements to Daesh that have sprung up and appear to be causing problems for Deash in Mosul is a group of about 150 Ba'athist former officers in the Iraqi army. As I have said before, no simplistic conspiracy theory is capable of accounting for everything that goes on.