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[Tim Drayton]

Instead of bandying around ad hominem comments, how about addressing the issues.
Daesh last made territorial gains in Syria when they captured Palmyra in May. Daesh also captured Ramadi in Iraq in the same month, but they are currently on the defensive in Iraq where they have recently been pushed out of Baiji. In Syria, on the other hand, Daesh have recently started gaining new territory. The Putin propaganda machine is trumpeting the great victories that the Russians are supposedly achieving against Daesh in Syria. Yet, the objective facts on the ground point to the opposite. Daesh are expanding in Syria, where the Russians are present, but contracting in Iraq, where they are not. Please explain.
It's early days yet and perceptions will change in the face of the objective facts.

[Robin Hood]

Instead of bandying around ad hominem comments, how about addressing the issues.
Daesh last made territorial gains in Syria when they captured Palmyra in May. Daesh also captured Ramadi in Iraq in the same month, but they are currently on the defensive in Iraq where they have recently been pushed out of Baiji. In Syria, on the other hand, Daesh have recently started gaining new territory. The Putin propaganda machine is trumpeting the great victories that the Russians are supposedly achieving against Daesh in Syria. Yet, the objective facts on the ground point to the opposite. Daesh are expanding in Syria, where the Russians are present, but contracting in Iraq, where they are not. Please explain.
It's early days yet and perceptions will change in the face of the objective facts.

Putin's slant ........." it is the Syrian people who should decide on ASSADS involvement and nobody else" . The US is still crowing 'Assad must go!" ..... but its not their shout. Putin is 100% correct!

The thing Putin HAS done is to get some of the protagonists around the table to talk, which The 'coalition' has singularly failed to do, because their sole intent is regime change. The defeat of Daesh/ISIS is secondary to that. Putin proposed these talks in 2012 and the US ignored him. Since then THE COALITION action has created millions of refugees and caused thousands of deaths.

Kerry says on TV (and he kept a straight face!!!) "Four and a half years ...... this war has gone on for far too long!" But it is this coalition that has kept it going by supporting 'moderate' rebels whose aim is to overthrow the recognised government of Syria . What an absolute asshole that man is?

[Tim Drayton]

The defeat of Daesh/ISIS is secondary to that.

Fine, but nobody has addressed my question. Putin's propaganda outlets like the Daily Express are crowing away about the Russian's great victories over Daesh and promoting Putin's Syria operation as being all about defeating Daesh, when the objective facts on the ground show that this is not so. No - Daesh was at least indirectly created by Assad and collaborates with Assad and mainly targets other anti-Assad groups, and its existence serves Assad well so that he can portray himself as being the lesser of two evils. Putin's main aim (well, the main aim is saving his own bacon because the people in Russia were getting a bit tired of Ukraine and he needed a new adventure to fill the TV screens with to keep the support of the masses while the domestic economy tanks) but secondary to that is the aim of keeping the Assad dictatorship in power regardless of whether that is the will of the Syrian people. So, agreed, the defeat of Daesh is not what it is about. My question is - and it is a rhetorical one in the hope that one or two people who have been duped may start thinking - that being so, why does the Putin propaganda machine tell us that the main aim of this operation is to defeat Daesh and, moreover, that the Russians are succeeding in this. The objective facts show otherwise, and the picture will become clearer as time progresses.

[Tim Drayton]

Another theory as to why the Russians are not engaging Daesh even though Putin’s propaganda machine tells us that they are:

For Putin, Assad’s ongoing presence is a rebuke to Washington. He will want to force President Obama into an anti-ISIS alliance with Assad: this is why his forces engage everyone except ISIS.

http://www.newsweek.com/kissinger-right ... 02?ref=yfp

[Lordo]

i thought the picture was clear from the start. russian and iran have always backed syria from the 80s when sadam with the backing of usa attacked iran. over 1 million people killed. now that iran is in control in iraq they are hardly likely to let syria slip from under them.

[Get Real!]

The defeat of Daesh/ISIS is secondary to that.

Fine, but nobody has addressed my question. Putin's propaganda outlets like the Daily Express are crowing away about the Russian's great victories over Daesh and promoting Putin's Syria operation as being all about defeating Daesh, when the objective facts on the ground show that this is not so. No - Daesh was at least indirectly created by Assad and collaborates with Assad and mainly targets other anti-Assad groups, and its existence serves Assad well so that he can portray himself as being the lesser of two evils. Putin's main aim (well, the main aim is saving his own bacon because the people in Russia were getting a bit tired of Ukraine and he needed a new adventure to fill the TV screens with to keep the support of the masses while the domestic economy tanks) but secondary to that is the aim of keeping the Assad dictatorship in power regardless of whether that is the will of the Syrian people. So, agreed, the defeat of Daesh is not what it is about. My question is - and it is a rhetorical one in the hope that one or two people who have been duped may start thinking - that being so, why does the Putin propaganda machine tell us that the main aim of this operation is to defeat Daesh and, moreover, that the Russians are succeeding in this. The objective facts show otherwise, and the picture will become clearer as time progresses.

Fuck your stupid question you pea-brained incompetent British twat! From now on I’ll treat you with the contempt you deserve.

[Get Real!]

Another theory as to why the Russians are not engaging Daesh even though Putin’s propaganda machine tells us that they are:

Maybe it's because your mom; the regional whore, is blowing Putin's dick thereby complicating the matter.

[DrCyprus]

No - Daesh was at least indirectly created by Assad and collaborates with Assad and mainly targets other anti-Assad groups, and its existence serves Assad well so that he can portray himself as being the lesser of two evils.

Can we please stop with all these DAESH creation myths.

According to the posters of this forum DAESH was a joint project founded by Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the USA, the Assad regime and Putin's Russia. All of these founders of ISIS are also reported as opponents of DAESH but also constantly reported as supporting it and supplying it with money and arms or avoiding to hit it.

What bollocks.

[Tim Drayton]

No - Daesh was at least indirectly created by Assad and collaborates with Assad and mainly targets other anti-Assad groups, and its existence serves Assad well so that he can portray himself as being the lesser of two evils.

Can we please stop with all these DAESH creation myths.

According to the posters of this forum DAESH was a joint project founded by Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the USA, the Assad regime and Putin's Russia. All of these founders of ISIS are also reported as opponents of DAESH but also constantly reported as supporting it and supplying it with money and arms or avoiding to hit it.

What bollocks.

Well, here is the evidence along these lines. I am not saying that this was the sole factor, or that Assad knew that releasing all these dangerous people from prison would lead precisely to the kind of entity that Daesh has turned into, but he knew full well that it would help to derail the revolution and turn it into more of a jihadi movement, which would serve his own propaganda ends.

http://www.thenational.ae/world/syria/a ... l-uprising

[Paphitis]

No - Daesh was at least indirectly created by Assad and collaborates with Assad and mainly targets other anti-Assad groups, and its existence serves Assad well so that he can portray himself as being the lesser of two evils.

Can we please stop with all these DAESH creation myths.

According to the posters of this forum DAESH was a joint project founded by Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the USA, the Assad regime and Putin's Russia. All of these founders of ISIS are also reported as opponents of DAESH but also constantly reported as supporting it and supplying it with money and arms or avoiding to hit it.

What bollocks.

Well, here is the evidence along these lines. I am not saying that this was the sole factor, or that Assad knew that releasing all these dangerous people from prison would lead precisely to the kind of entity that Daesh has turned into, but he knew full well that it would help to derail the revolution and turn it into more of a jihadi movement, which would serve his own propaganda ends.

http://www.thenational.ae/world/syria/a ... l-uprising

Things just took a very ugly turn for both Russia and Assad.

The Assad Russian plan seems to be to attack all rebel groups other than DAESH and I believe that may be because they are relying on DAESH attacking the FSA and Coalition from behind creating a second front for the FSA and Coalition. Also, as you say, they are hoping for DAESH to expand its influence so that the regime can push the "lesser of 2 evils" bollocks.

But, now for the ugly turn that neither Assad or Pootin expected. Obama has now authorized American Boots on the Ground which will undertake combat roles in some form or another. US Troops are about to deploy with Peshmerga and FSA units on the ground.

Pootin's 'brave' front is about to unravel but it is early days. It will take some time for the dust to settle but just imagine if Russia bombs American units on the ground.

In some respects things have got a lot more difficult for Pootin! We shall see in the coming days what form this American escalation will take.

The situation is especially very dangerous now. Pootin will need a very cool head now, otherwise Russia and USA might end up on the verge!